[Blacksheep]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Back when America MADE most of what WE needed.... and shipped the excess to the rest of the World!

Back before the greedy capitalists decided it was more important to MAKE money than to make JOBS for Americans.

Back when CEO's realized that to HAVE a market for their goods, they needed to EMPLOY the market for their goods.

(In fairness) Back before the environmentalists "revolted" against the Industrial Revolution.

And before anyone had even HEARD of a PAC (Political Action Committee.)

Boom to Bust in only 200 years! An "experiment" gone awry.

But STILL the greatest country in the World! At our WORST, we are the envy of nearly all inhabitants of Earth. No one BUT us can once again MAKE us worthy of such acclaim. It is UP to US!

Not to worry I hear socailism is in right now.........

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Blacksheep

Not to worry I hear socailism is in right now.........

Say what you will, but most Socialist countries in Europe keep their JOBS at HOME! :eek2:

Only a Capitalist country would ship them all overseas to sweat shop economies for the purpose of padding the wealth of the owners.

Oh.... and they have health care for ALL their citizens! :roll:

When you can get all the capitalists, who get huge tax incentives for their businesses, to actually CREATE jobs for American middle class workers, provide affordable health care OF ANY TYPE YOU CHOOSE, NOT pass on every business loss to the consumer, and pay whatever you feel is a fair share of taxes on their income instead of "shelling" it offshore.... I'll listen to your complaints about government control and regulation. Heck.... it might not even be necessary!

[Blacksheep]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Say what you will, but most Socialist countries in Europe keep their JOBS at HOME! :eek2:
(Yes because they are government owned.)
Only a Capitalist country would ship them all overseas to sweat shop economies for the purpose of padding the wealth of the owners.
(Because over taxation and over regulation.)
Oh.... and they have health care for ALL their citizens! :roll:
( yes that is why people who can, come here for health care)
When you can get all the capitalists, who get huge tax incentives for their businesses, to actually CREATE jobs for American middle class workers, provide affordable health care OF ANY TYPE YOU CHOOSE, NOT pass on every business loss to the consumer, and pay whatever you feel is a fair share of taxes on their income instead of "shelling" it offshore.... I'll listen to your complaints about government control and regulation. Heck.... it might not even be necessary!

Capitalism works if you keep the government from screwing it up............go to europe if that's your idea of utopia.

[allan5oh]

If it's so great over there, why do so many people come here and not the other way around?

[GMAN]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Say what you will, but most Socialist countries in Europe keep their JOBS at HOME! :eek2:

There is no need to send their jobs abroad. No one would work for the low slave wages most pay. Besides, when you have a guaranteed job with little or no expectation, you are likely to produce an inferior product. Just look at all the junk that comes from China.

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Only a Capitalist country would ship them all overseas to sweat shop economies for the purpose of padding the wealth of the owners.

There is no need to pad them abroad. They can do well padding their pockets at home. If you think these party people who run these companies don't pocket plenty of money then you have indeed been sheltered. You should see how some of the socialists live in China and Russia under the socialists system. Many of them lived like kings. Of course, the well paid drones were too busy standing in long lines to get a loaf of bread that it took them all day toiling to afford.

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Oh.... and they have health care for ALL their citizens! :roll:

Yep, if you want good health care then go to one of the socialist countries. That is unless you are old or too sick, or perhaps too fat or affiliated with the wrong party. It isn't fair for you to take more than your fair ration of health care.

Originally Posted by golfhobo

When you can get all the capitalists, who get huge tax incentives for their businesses, to actually CREATE jobs for American middle class workers, provide affordable health care OF ANY TYPE YOU CHOOSE, NOT pass on every business loss to the consumer, and pay whatever you feel is a fair share of taxes on their income instead of "shelling" it offshore.... I'll listen to your complaints about government control and regulation. Heck.... it might not even be necessary!

It is very easy to encourage businesses to create jobs in America. You lower taxes, get rid of ridiculous interference from such organizations as the EPA and get the unions out of business and you would instantly bring back millions of good jobs to America. What many people don't seem to realize about medical costs is that they high mostly due to government regulations and litigation. A friend of mine who is a general practitioner was paying more than $50,000 in malpractice insurance over 20 years ago. Just imagine what he is paying today? Imagine what a specialist pays in premiums, just to protect themselves from being sued. The paperwork trail they must put together to comply with government regulations and insurance requirements is astounding. Those costs must be passed on their their customers or patients. When I was growing up you could go to the doctor for $5-15. The $15 included a penicillin shot. Today, that same doctor will run useless tests that will cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars just to comply with government and insurance requirements. He also does this to protect himself from litigation. These costs must be passed along to his patients. That same doctor would charge at least $50 for the visit and at least $25 for the shot, not including other tests he may run to protect himself. Companies spend billions of dollars complying with government regulations. Just look at what motor carriers spend each year on compliance. We spend many millions of dollars complying with useless government regulations, just to stay in business. Each cost must be passed on to the consumer. Companies cannot absorb all losses. In order to stay in business one must make a profit. That is the way we provide more jobs. Without profit the jobs and benefits go away. One major problem we currently have in this country is a "YOU OWE ME" mentality. The government "OWES ME" a living. Business "OWES ME" a big paycheck whether I work and produce or not. The government doesn't OWE anyone a paycheck or health-care. Business doesn't OWE a paycheck to those who are not productive. Nor does business OWE employees health-care. It is a nice benefit, but is not a RIGHT. In this country we have a right to have an opportunity. We don't have a right to be successful. We can be successful if we work hard enough. If you want health-care then there are companies who provide it or you could pay it yourself, which is the fairest way to do it.

[Blacksheep]

OMG !!!!!!!!!! DITTO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well put GMAN, Glad to know there is still some common sense people around.

[Phantom433a]

If you think health care is expensive now.....just wait til the goverment is running it.

My hometown (and the 2 smaller areas around it) had about 30 thousand residents 20 years ago....now they have the "tri-cities" area with about twice that amount. We STILL have no manufacturing jobs and STILL rely on the tourists trade. The farms and ranches have mostly vanished because of the Californians moving here and buying land for homes. My 19 year old daughter can't find a job worth ****te because its the "Right To Work State". Which simply means, you have they right to work in a union job without being a memeber or having to pay dues. You get the same beenies and no harrasment....Arizona thinks it means "You got the right to work and we can pay you what we want and you will like". Seems that after I moved back (we are moving away after wife graduates) I've made alot of enemies that used to be old friends....by speaking out for the workers rights.
Like it used to be said

Wake up America

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Blacksheep

Capitalism works if you keep the government from screwing it up.

What country can you name as proof of this claim?

Or are you just espousing a "theory" and using your crystal ball to see the utopian America you THINK would exist today without government intervention?

[BobBski]

18 years as a military brat and 20 years military service myself....been and lived all over the world...glad I live in the good old USA.:thumbsup: If i'd found someplace better...I'd be there now.

[GMAN]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

What country can you name as proof of this claim?

Or are you just espousing a "theory" and using your crystal ball to see the utopian America you THINK would exist today without government intervention?

This country was built based upon capitalism. Things worked pretty well until the government started regulating everything. The more government interferes with the way things work the more difficult it is for business to function and the more taxes we must pay. If government got out of most business we might need to go back to using common sense to get along. Before government decided that citizens were too stupid to make their own decisions we had what is commonly called common sense. If we made bad decisions then we dealt with them. The government wasn't there to bail us out. We had little interference in this country until the late 20th century. Since then, there have been many problems associated with government interference. One of the fallout's has been an exodus of manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S. for more friendly countries. There is no Utopian America regardless of what form of government is used.