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Old 06-15-2008, 08:38 AM
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You are assuming that everyone who purchases this device is planning on engaging in criminal mischeif.
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I made no such assumption.
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Look below, you are saying that the only use a slim jim has is to engage in illegal activity. Sounds like that is your assumption to me.
That isn't what I said at all.
So what do you mean with this statement?
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A bolt cutter has a legitimate use outside of a potentially illegal practice. A slim jim does not.
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If not you would realize that the person who buys a slim jim has the same chance of engaging in illegal activity as a person who purchases bolt cutters. The only difference is the slim jim gets them access to YOUR stuff where as the bolt cutters gets them access to SOMEONE ELSE'S stuff.
That is a very broad conclusion. Besides, I wasn't aware that Pilot sold bolt cutters....
No, it is a quite realistic conclusion since neither you or I can determine what each and every purchaser's intentions are. Check the pilot in Brazil IN if you need a pair of bolt cutters.

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I already did.
No, you didn't.

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Since all major truck stops sell bolt cutters then by your moral standard (not wanting to contribute to criminal activity) we should boycott all major truck stop chains. So tell me how the bolt cutter argument is any different from the slim jim argument.

The only thing a slim jim does is open doors, legally or illegally. A bolt cutter (which Pilot doesn't even sell, so why are we discussing them?) has many different uses, other than opening doors.
I beg to differ on the Pilot selling them but for the sake of your argument I am making a comparison and other truck stops sell them so it would be a potential reason for you to write a boyott letter to say the TA or Flying J since they sell tools used in criminal activity (bolt cutters). Bolt cutters do have a few uses and just like the slim jim kit it can be legally or illegally depending on the intent of the user.


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They are obviously aware that their product is going to be used illegally, therefore they are attempting to protect themselves.
And I am sure on the packaging of the bolt cutters there is a warning somewhere about being able to chop off a finger or at least do some form of physical harm. Does this mean the manufacturer of the bolt cutters assumes that they will be used to hurt someone rather than the intended purpose?

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I suppose next you will attempt to present a valid argument for why they carry siphon hoses....
If you want to argue that then go ahead but you have failed to show me that selling a slim jim is proof that pilot promotes illegal activity. They are out to make money and the fact that you are not going to buy your hotdogs there anymore will have no negative effect on their business. The point is many things are sold by many distributors that can be used in an illegal manner so you will stay busy writing these letters if you want to go after them all. What is next, everyone that sells ski masks? Maybe the sellers of gloves or baseball bats.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 08:54 AM
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You are assuming that everyone who purchases this device is planning on engaging in criminal mischeif.
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I made no such assumption.
Originally Posted by slim chance
Look below, you are saying that the only use a slim jim has is to engage in illegal activity. Sounds like that is your assumption to me.
That isn't what I said at all.
So what do you mean with this statement?
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
A bolt cutter has a legitimate use outside of a potentially illegal practice. A slim jim does not.
I made myself quite clear. Hopefully highlighting it will help.

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If not you would realize that the person who buys a slim jim has the same chance of engaging in illegal activity as a person who purchases bolt cutters. The only difference is the slim jim gets them access to YOUR stuff where as the bolt cutters gets them access to SOMEONE ELSE'S stuff.
That is a very broad conclusion. Besides, I wasn't aware that Pilot sold bolt cutters....
No, it is a quite realistic conclusion since neither you or I can determine what each and every purchaser's intentions are.
Obviously, the manufacturer has determined the intentions of some purchasers, since they are attempting to cover their asses.

Check the pilot in Brazil IN if you need a pair of bolt cutters.
No thanks. As I've already stated, I will no longer frequent Pilot. If I need bolt cutters, I will go to a hardware store and purchase a set of quality ones.

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I already did.
No, you didn't.
I already said I did.

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Since all major truck stops sell bolt cutters then by your moral standard (not wanting to contribute to criminal activity) we should boycott all major truck stop chains. So tell me how the bolt cutter argument is any different from the slim jim argument.

The only thing a slim jim does is open doors, legally or illegally. A bolt cutter (which Pilot doesn't even sell, so why are we discussing them?) has many different uses, other than opening doors.
I beg to differ on the Pilot selling them but for the sake of your argument I am making a comparison and other truck stops sell them so it would be a potential reason for you to write a boyott letter to say the TA or Flying J since they sell tools used in criminal activity (bolt cutters). Bolt cutters do have a few uses and just like the slim jim kit it can be legally or illegally depending on the intent of the user.
Your point? TA, as far as I am aware, doesn't sell bolt cutters or slim jims. In the 11+ years I've been in the industry, I have yet to see them.


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They are obviously aware that their product is going to be used illegally, therefore they are attempting to protect themselves.
And I am sure on the packaging of the bolt cutters there is a warning somewhere about being able to chop off a finger or at least do some form of physical harm. Does this mean the manufacturer of the bolt cutters assumes that they will be used to hurt someone rather than the intended purpose?
No, the manufacturer assumes people are stupid and will cut their own fingers off.

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I suppose next you will attempt to present a valid argument for why they carry siphon hoses....
If you want to argue that then go ahead but you have failed to show me that selling a slim jim is proof that pilot promotes illegal activity. They are out to make money and the fact that you are not going to buy your hotdogs there anymore will have no negative effect on their business. The point is many things are sold by many distributors that can be used in an illegal manner so you will stay busy writing these letters if you want to go after them all. What is next, everyone that sells ski masks? Maybe the sellers of gloves or baseball bats.
Gloves, baseball bats, and ski masks all have legitimate uses. Siphons and slim jims have no legitimate use at a truck stop as far as I am concerned. If Pilot is more concerned about making $20 a pop off a product that serves no legitimate use at a truck stop, then they can do without the $70,000+ per year I spend on fuel.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 10:03 AM
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And with all that you have stated you are trying to make the case that a slim jim has no potential (see I can do it to) use other then for criminal activity. The reality of it is it does. It can be used to unlock the door of a car that the owner locked his or her keys in. Again there is nothing illegal about that. This happens everyday but I guess you want every one to believe that there is a number of thugs that hang around a Pilot truck stop just waiting for shipments of slim jims to come in so they can purchase one and break into every truck in the parking lot. Unfortunately in my few years out here I have yet to see someone with the brass nuggets to actually spend any amount of time fidling with another drivers door, especially at a Pilot. There is really no driver's lounge at these excuses for truck stops so most driver are in their trucks, (probably not the best targets for theft) If you want to dislike Pilot, cool, but to say it is because they sell a $20 piece of metal used to unlock a door seems rather odd.
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
If Pilot is more concerned about making $20 a pop off a product that serves no legitimate use at a truck stop, then they can do without the $70,000+ per year I spend on fuel.
Before you go pounding your chest too hard, even if there is truth to this Pilot gains no where near $70,000 a year from your fuel purchase. If that is what you spend in fuel there I would assume after they buy it from the oil companies they make about $700 a year (about a penny for every dollar) from you so I guess they only have to sell 35 slim jims a year nationwide to off set your bold statement. But keep us posted and if Pilot goes out of business this year I will give all the credit to you.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 11:02 AM
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It's quite clear at this point that you are clueless, and I certainly hope that nobody ever uses one of those lock picking tools on your truck.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by slim chance
And with all that you have stated you are trying to make the case that a slim jim has no potential (see I can do it to) the correct spelling is too.. use other then for criminal activity. The reality of it is it does. It can be used to unlock the door of a car that the owner locked his or her keys in. Again there is nothing illegal about that. This happens everyday but I guess you want every one to believe that there is a number of thugs that hang around a Pilot truck stop just waiting for shipments of slim jims to come in so they can purchase one and break into every truck in the parking lot. Unfortunately in my few years out here I have yet to see someone with the brass nuggets to actually spend any amount of time fidling with another drivers door, especially at a Pilot. There is really no driver's lounge at these excuses for truck stops so most driver are in their trucks, (probably not the best targets for theft) If you want to dislike Pilot, cool, but to say it is because they sell a $20 piece of metal used to unlock a door seems rather odd.
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
It's quite clear at this point that you are clueless, and I certainly hope that nobody ever uses one of those lock picking tools on your truck.
You are right, no one has ever used a set of bolt cutters to break into someone's trailer. You win. Keep me posted on that shutting Pilot down thingy.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by slim chance
And with all that you have stated you are trying to make the case that a slim jim has no potential (see I can do it to) the correct spelling is too.. use other then for criminal activity. The reality of it is it does. It can be used to unlock the door of a car that the owner locked his or her keys in. Again there is nothing illegal about that. This happens everyday but I guess you want every one to believe that there is a number of thugs that hang around a Pilot truck stop just waiting for shipments of slim jims to come in so they can purchase one and break into every truck in the parking lot. Unfortunately in my few years out here I have yet to see someone with the brass nuggets to actually spend any amount of time fidling with another drivers door, especially at a Pilot. There is really no driver's lounge at these excuses for truck stops so most driver are in their trucks, (probably not the best targets for theft) If you want to dislike Pilot, cool, but to say it is because they sell a $20 piece of metal used to unlock a door seems rather odd.
Does it really make you feel better that you found one grammatical error out of a couple thousand words? That just changes everything, not.
 
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Old 06-15-2008, 11:51 AM
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And with all that you have stated you are trying to make the case that a slim jim has no potential (see I can do it to) the correct spelling is too.. use other then for criminal activity. The reality of it is it does. It can be used to unlock the door of a car that the owner locked his or her keys in. Again there is nothing illegal about that. This happens everyday but I guess you want every one to believe that there is a number of thugs that hang around a Pilot truck stop just waiting for shipments of slim jims to come in so they can purchase one and break into every truck in the parking lot. Unfortunately in my few years out here I have yet to see someone with the brass nuggets to actually spend any amount of time fidling with another drivers door, especially at a Pilot. There is really no driver's lounge at these excuses for truck stops so most driver are in their trucks, (probably not the best targets for theft) If you want to dislike Pilot, cool, but to say it is because they sell a $20 piece of metal used to unlock a door seems rather odd.
Does it really make you feel better that you found one grammatical error out of a couple thousand words? That just changes everything, not.
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by slim chance
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It's quite clear at this point that you are clueless, and I certainly hope that nobody ever uses one of those lock picking tools on your truck.
You are right, no one has ever used a set of bolt cutters to break into someone's trailer. You win. Keep me posted on that shutting Pilot down thingy.
Who ever said anything about trying to shut Pilot down?

Again, clueless. :roll:
 

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