Cailfornia Overtime
#31
05-12-2008, 02:54 PM
And you still don't get it GMAN. If a driver was in complete control of his work situation, then yes, production based pay would be the answer, but seeing as he isn't, it is a crap shoot. You can have the most productive worker in the world, but if the company makes him sit waiting for a load, then how much productive is he? How about when the company tells a driver on Friday that he is running tight on hours, so take a 34 and we will load you Mon am, when in reality the company just needs the Mon load covered and the production paid driver sits for free.
As far as hourly pay not being feasible for OTR, you are wrong. A combination of mileage and hourly would work fine. Watch how fast drivers start putting dock time on line 4 where it should be if they actually got paid for it. Unfortunately, owners, like yourself try to justify screwing their drivers out of hours that should be paid every week by brainwashing them that it is the miles that are important, you know, the big picture. On the other hand, most OTR drivers fall for the scam and work for substandard wages. Vicious cycle, isn't it? As far as dock workers getting paid piecemeal, why would they want to lower themselves to OTR standards? Just because you see no problem with working 100, logging 70 and getting paid for 40, don't expect a mad rush of people jumping on board with you.
#32
05-12-2008, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Part Time Dweller
And you still don't get it GMAN. If a driver was in complete control of his work situation, then yes, production based pay would be the answer, but seeing as he isn't, it is a crap shoot. You can have the most productive worker in the world, but if the company makes him sit waiting for a load, then how much productive is he? How about when the company tells a driver on Friday that he is running tight on hours, so take a 34 and we will load you Mon am, when in reality the company just needs the Mon load covered and the production paid driver sits for free.
As far as hourly pay not being feasible for OTR, you are wrong. A combination of mileage and hourly would work fine. Watch how fast drivers start putting dock time on line 4 where it should be if they actually got paid for it. Unfortunately, owners, like yourself try to justify screwing their drivers out of hours that should be paid every week by brainwashing them that it is the miles that are important, you know, the big picture. On the other hand, most OTR drivers fall for the scam and work for substandard wages. Vicious cycle, isn't it? As far as dock workers getting paid piecemeal, why would they want to lower themselves to OTR standards? Just because you see no problem with working 100, logging 70 and getting paid for 40, don't expect a mad rush of people jumping on board with you. I agree, Life is short, my time is precious and If I am a company driver I should be paid. I hate line 4 ON DUTY NOT PAID. If truckers ever got organised we would make BIG money. Can't send these jobs overseas. I don't want to here that we would hurt the economy if were paid for what we do. Would it be great to get short and long term sick pay?, and a real pension for all the hours we put in? Or be able able to appeal, a termination.
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#33
05-13-2008, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Evinrude
Originally Posted by Part Time Dweller
And you still don't get it GMAN. If a driver was in complete control of his work situation, then yes, production based pay would be the answer, but seeing as he isn't, it is a crap shoot. You can have the most productive worker in the world, but if the company makes him sit waiting for a load, then how much productive is he? How about when the company tells a driver on Friday that he is running tight on hours, so take a 34 and we will load you Mon am, when in reality the company just needs the Mon load covered and the production paid driver sits for free.
As far as hourly pay not being feasible for OTR, you are wrong. A combination of mileage and hourly would work fine. Watch how fast drivers start putting dock time on line 4 where it should be if they actually got paid for it. Unfortunately, owners, like yourself try to justify screwing their drivers out of hours that should be paid every week by brainwashing them that it is the miles that are important, you know, the big picture. On the other hand, most OTR drivers fall for the scam and work for substandard wages. Vicious cycle, isn't it? As far as dock workers getting paid piecemeal, why would they want to lower themselves to OTR standards? Just because you see no problem with working 100, logging 70 and getting paid for 40, don't expect a mad rush of people jumping on board with you. I agree, Life is short, my time is precious and If I am a company driver I should be paid. I hate line 4 ON DUTY NOT PAID. If truckers ever got organised we would make BIG money.
Can't send these jobs overseas. I don't want to here that we would hurt the economy if were paid for what we do.
Would it be great to get short and long term sick pay?, and a real pension for all the hours we put in? Or be able able to appeal, a termination.
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#34
05-13-2008, 12:36 PM
That is a bad word around here Splitshifter. :P Most have been brainwashed that miles are more important than money. They don't need no stinking union, just ask GMAN, they get productivity pay, the harder you work the more you make. On top of that, they get free showers and room and board. Lets see the Teamsters top that :lol:
#35
05-13-2008, 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Part Time Dweller
That is a bad word around here Splitshifter. :P Most have been brainwashed that miles are more important than money. They don't need no stinking union, just ask GMAN, they get productivity pay, the harder you work the more you make. On top of that, they get free showers and room and board. Lets see the Teamsters top that :lol:
I woulkd rather get paid CPM thats where the money is at. LOL
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#36
05-18-2008, 03:33 AM
I work 5 days one week take home 986.36 for 60 hours then 4 days and bring home 869.36. If your wondering i make good money and yes not great 15.25 an hour for 8 then 21.37 4 hours. In Jersy all fuel tank drivers make 30+ an hour i hear and 1.5 times after 8.. :x
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