Oh yeah, I've seen the movie. It kinda threw me off for a minute when I first read it. :lol:

"The Violent Men". Very good western. Ed G Robinson, and Glenn Ford both were somethin else.

 

this is a quote from my first post

i can understand that, lastnite is the first good nites sleep i have had in two weeks.

you assumed it was new all i said was it is a nice, and what truckdriver would spend $58k for a new Cadillac STS for a kid (i say kid in a good way he's 22). but the point was that when you save and have money when you see something you want you can just buy it gift or otherwise.

dido

in 93 i paid $1200 for a 84 ford ranger that needed $140 in frontend work, used it for 7 years working construction, now i use it to pull my antique 1963 14' columbia speed boat and to this day i have not spent $1500 in repairs on the truck. that's $192 per year with insurance it's still $320 per year. still better than buying new and it has never ever had me on the side of the road

i tend to disagree with this. why well 1st you can get a new car that is a lemon (if thy didn't have so many thy wouldn't have lemon laws) and if you look around a find a deal if something needs fixed it's not a big deal. i have a classic 74 ford van that i have had for 9 years all i have had to fix was the starter.

1st i was 14 and it was a summer job 1 summer, i never said anything about sacrificed opportunities to go out to clubs with friends after all it's a little hard to go out clubing when your 14, and are you saying that my mother didn't feed me and my brother well...? again you are assuming alot.

everyone can. the ones that don't realy don't want to. thy think the job should just fall into their lap, thy will not go out and do what thy need to to get the job.

that is the problem with todays society if you don't have the newest xbox, game qube, playstation3, biggest flatscreen tv, ipod, iphone. etc.. that somehow you are SUFFERING and as to saving "serious" money it's not hard to save $200 a month IF YOU WANT TO. thats pizza and beer money for one weekend. hell we spend more than that going to a titans game

planning planning planning

when i was married the first time i had a wife 4 kids buying a house and i was the only one working and not at some high paying job. when i left the b*$#@& all i had was what was in my car. and i did just fine being single.

people can sit on the ass and wait for opportunites to happen to them or thy can go out and make them happen for them.

parents just settle for whatever and don't look around for what is best for their kids. my mother sent me and my brother to both public and private schools and she was a single mom working as a bookeeper so she didn't make alot of money.

gee that is strange my new wife grew up in rural tennesse and she went to college. sex doesn't matter if you have good grades ANYONE can go to collage

she wouldn't need to work if thy didn't have two new cars live in a $300k home and be trying to out spend the neighbors.

that's to bad. i had two businesses both one man shows i was doing at the same time and i SOLD both when i moved..?

i have always enjoyed life and saved at the same time. it's not a trade off

not if YOU want to

WTF...?

i don't have a clue were you got that from

1st if you would reread my first post you would see that i did need help and friends did help...! and i have help many of them when thy needed it (nice thing about having money you can help) and as to having the bases covered I DO. again it's called planning.

this is a victums mentality i don't discard people but if THY don't care enough to better themself then WHY should i care. and i can guarantee you that if someone breaks into THIS house thy will never have the chance to re-offend and i will not feel bad about it at all after I WORKED for what i have.

well that's what you get if you "live for today" but with planning, insurance and saving it's a non issue btw it's never too late to start IF you want to.

what BS you can pay a person $25k or you can pay that same person $100k per year it doesn't matter the person is still going to do the same job the same way. it's not just money but the quality of the person doing the job. yes you will get better quality people when you pay more BUT you can find alot of people that do their job and don't make alot and you can also find people that make alot and don't do their job RIGHT. it's call INTEGRITY

true but also remember that it DOESN'T take a village to rise a child, it only takes two or one if the parents do their job. my mother sure did and i will thank her for it for the rest of my life.

the long and short of it all is that most people want it all NOW and pay for it later "90 days is NOT the same as cash" i paid my way through school (no loan) as did my brother. it's called work....... i have owned rentals and made money, i've started companies and made money, and i've had all the toys i wanted or want also i moved out when i was 17 and never EVER not paid my own way. it's all about the choices we make in life good ones and you will have a good life bad ones and life will suck and you will be blaming others for the way your life ie... victums mentality "oh poor me the world is against me....!"

 

EXACTLY FLOOD! I couldnt have said it better myself. I hate the fact that we are seeing more and more of the victim mentallity.
In this country NO ONE HOLDS ANYONE BACK. NO ONE KEEPS ANYONE FROM SUCCEEDING. People hold themselves back and then look for someone to blame. Its much easier for someone to pass the blame that look at their own life and accept the blame. Personally, Im also tired of the people in this country (cough cough liberals) who are there handing out excuses like candy. As long as someone is giving out excuces to the financial failures of this country, those financial failures are going to be there eating up those excuses and not even trying to change. Once you stop handing out excuses, people will be forced to look deep at their own lives and then realize that THEY control their financial success.
Im also tired of the old liberal mantras: "It could happen to you" and "You are just one paycheck away from being homeless". NO IT WONT HAPPEN TO ME! And NO I WILL NEVER BE HOMELESS. Why? Because everyday I wake up and CHOOSE to do what it takes for that not to happen. Its called having "forward thinking skills" In other words...PLANNING AHEAD. Some peoples idea of forward thinking and planning ahead is on thursday planning what bar they are going to spend money at on saturday. Me....and Im sure flood was the same way, at 18, I was already planning for when I was 60. And you know what? When you make a few sacrifices and save a little when you are young, things get really easy when you are middle aged. Im 42 now, Im just a typical middle class american, Im not rich by any means. My wife doesnt have to work. My kids are in pretty expensive priavte schools, All of our cars are paid for. I live debt free except a couple of mortgages. All of this is possible because I CHOSE it. Not because I was lucky, not because my father gave me a nice car at 16 and not because anything was handed to me. I GAVE THIS TO MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
Ok off my soapbox....lol...Im kinda passionate about this stuff.

 

i forgot somthing christmass will be DEC 25 this year i already have MONEY for it and i don't go cheap but the good thing is in JAN i don't have to think about paying for it

 

Sorry about that Flood... I didn't put in my post SheepDancer's name, where it needed to go, that's why you got confused at a point in my last post...

I couldn't look back to all he had stated, as well as you. So, I tried to combine the two... Unfortunately, I suppose I was not successful. :lol: But, well, at least I said, what I wanted to say...

I will say this though, it is easier for a man to make his way financially, then for many woman. Now, before you get "passionate" about my statement. Let me explain. You stated you got married, and had kids.

It has been, and in most respect's still is traditional for a man to ask a woman to marry him. You don't see many woman picking out a man, then asking the man to marry them... Though there are a few who have done so...

While you were out working to build your businesses, etc., your wife was home taking care of your home, and your children. You don't find many woman able to do the same... Rarely, does the husband stay home and raise the kids, while the wife builds a business, etc... It simply hasn't been the tradition. Though again, there are a few stay at home Dad's who do care for the home, and kids, while the wife becomes the bread winner. But, for the most part, it just hasn't been the norm...

I think the truth is that woman can not do it all. That they have to make choices, either become wives, and mothers, and stay at home, and raise their kids to become productive adults. Or, pursue a career, and forfeit having children, maybe even forfeit having a husband as well.

But, such is life I suppose, and we all make choices. All I can say is that I wish you, and Sheepdancer very happy retirements, and hopefully all that hard work, saving, etc., pays off for you both... :wink:

 

I swear I try my best to stay out of debates like this but .......sorry.........I just can't help myself. :lol:


First a little back-ground: 1997: 3 year old son and a daughter born with a metobolic disorder GSD ( Gylcogen Storage Disease type 1a ). Wife and I both had good long term jobs and insurance. 1999 both of us lost our jobs and our income went down about 75% overnight. We cut back, made plans
and then worked the plan. 2001: We used our home equity to invest in rental property. ( I DO NOT suggest this for anyone because we came real close to loosing it all ). We now have the equity line paid off and have a positive cash flow on the rentals. It is not alot but they will be paid off in 2016. I'll be 55 at the time and they will equal my income where I am now. My house will be paid for in 3-1/2 more years. ( But son will be going to college about that time. ) I swear to GOD if we can make it happen then anybody can do the same for themselves.

It's funny, I drive a 1988 Suzuki Samari to work every day. I bought it in '94 to pull behind our motorhome. I drive it to save on gas as I drive 60+ miles round trip each day. ( 33+ mpg ). And I see my co-workers drive in in their NEW '06-'07 trucks and complain about how their broke. :roll:

 

RedRaven:

I have NEVER seen anyone that has more excuses as to why they are in the position they are in. First it was injury. Now it is because you are a woman. Good grief woman, get over it and get a life. Go pick up cans on the side of the road. At least you will be EARNING some money. Comming on these boards does NOTHING to improve your situtation. ( Unless it gets you off your A$$ to do something )

 

I wasn't referring to me, in terms of the situation some woman face. They were remarks based on what I've read, and seen in news reports, and programs relating to woman.

As for my own situation, I deal with 5 different doctors not only for the injuries I suffered, but, medical complications, and other health issues post the auto accident. I can actually relate to your childrens health issues, and I'm sorry you and your family have had to endure this health issue, and I hope your children are happy, and healthy now... I can relate, because one of my "health" issues is the condition known as Metabolic Syndrome (which affects the Endocrine system), and it's related complications to my health.

As far as earning a living. I have posted else where that I am currently working on developing my own business. I am actually looking forward to making it a success. So, I'm not sitting on my backside, I'm actually working to improve my life... :wink:

 

Good to hear. Is your new business related to trucking in any way?