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Mexican truckers will also be restricted from carrying hazardous materials
Good thing 85% of my loads are Hazmat
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whats wrong with OBRD's and the proposed 68 mph speed limit?
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whats wrong with OBRD's and the proposed 68 mph speed limit?
Nothing for you i guess but then again, what would the world be like if we all had the same attitude in regards to certain things...in this case governing all trucks to 68mph and making these highways evenmore congested/unsafe, than they already are..
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Mods, here's just one vote for leaving the thread where it was started. Each forum is its own little community and I generally don't want to take the time to go jumping around.
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whats wrong with OBRD's and the proposed 68 mph speed limit?
Nothing for you i guess but then again, what would the world be like if we all had the same attitude in regards to certain things...in this case governing all trucks to 68mph and making these highways evenmore congested/unsafe, than they already are..
Please explain how an OBRD would make you any less safe or how traveling 68 would also be unsafe.
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whats wrong with OBRD's and the proposed 68 mph speed limit?
Nothing for you i guess but then again, what would the world be like if we all had the same attitude in regards to certain things...in this case governing all trucks to 68mph and making these highways evenmore congested/unsafe, than they already are..
Please explain how an OBRD would make you any less safe or how traveling 68 would also be unsafe.
Someone has to acctually explain this AGAIN???
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yep, usually there's just a lot of crying and flapping when this topic comes up.
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[color=red]yep, usually there's just a lot of crying and flapping when this topic comes up.

Man, i told you to go there and look for yourself, you just wasted my time but theres just one reason WHY , EOBRS ill post next..



OOIDA: Speed limiter proposal unsafe, doesn't address real problems



Mandatory speed limiters could actually have a negative impact on highway safety and would not address the root causes of excessive speeding.

That's the message the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association delivered loud and clear in letters to two federal agencies countering the American Trucking Association's recent petitions requesting mandatory speed governors.

OOIDA officials sent the letters to the administrators of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration - the two agencies ATA petitioned for rulemakings that would require mandatory speed limiters and prohibit tampering with them.

OOIDA President and CEO Jim Johnston pointed out in the letters the ATA petition lacked any credible evidence that could back up the claim that mandatory speed limiters would improve highway safety.

"OOIDA believes that restricting trucks to speed below 68 mph would provide no safety benefit and would, in fact, have a negative impact on highway safety," Johnston wrote in the letters.

The OOIDA president said ATA's petition is not supported by any scientific study, data or analysis of the actual use of speed limiters or their effect on highway safety.

The Association contends that 68 mph is an appropriate, safe and legal speed on many roads. However, under less-than-normal road conditions, most any rate of speed less than 68 mph may be excessive relative to the adverse condition encountered.

In the letter, Johnston points to a 1991 NHTSA study, "Commercial Motor Vehicle Speed Control Devices," that concluded "incremental benefits of mandatory speed limitation in terms of either crash reduction or lives saved is questionable."

And while any benefits of mandatory speed limitation are "questionable," government-mandated speed limiters most certainly would create additional speed variance on the roads - which increases the risks of accidents, according to another study cited by OOIDA in the letter. In fact, that study concludes that "the frequency of interactions with other vehicles by a vehicle traveling 10 mph below the posted speed limit is 227 percent higher than moving at the traffic speed."

Johnston even reminded the agency administrators in the letters that one of their predecessors, Julie Cirillo who is a former FMCSA associate administrator and chief safety officer, testified that when vehicles deviate from the prevailing speed on a highway, accidents occur.

If excessive speeding is the real issue supposedly being addressed by proposing mandatory speed limiters, Johnston pointed out that the feds should take a long, hard look at the real causes of excessive speeding.

"If the Department of Transportation would like to reduce excessive speeding, then it should directly address its primary causes: the lack of a comprehensive driver training standard and the compensation of drivers by the miles driven or loads hauled," Johnston wrote.

"New truck drivers are often not properly trained and do not know when and how to moderate their speed. Drivers need behind-the-wheel instruction in operating a truck on different types of roads, in different types of traffic and in different weather conditions."

Beyond knowing how to drive properly, Johnston stressed that the motivator behind excessive speeding is all that needs to be addressed - driver pay.

The current prevailing forms of compensation - by the mile and by the load - provide a "direct incentive to drive more miles or to take more loads in a shorter period of time," Johnston wrote.

He pointed out that the difficulty in just getting enough miles to cover the bills is exacerbated by long periods of uncompensated time spent at the docks waiting to load and unload - to the tune of 30 to 40 hours a week.

"Facing such pressures, many OOIDA members have told us that if they were forced to limit the speed of their vehicle preventing them from driving speeds that are otherwise safe and legal, they would quit the business," Johnston wrote.

Rather than safety, the Association believes ATA's speed limiter proposal is all about competition for drivers.

"Motor carriers who have adopted speed limitation policies lose drivers to carriers without such policies, and they have more difficulty recruiting new drivers," Johnston wrote.

"By imposing such technology on all motor carriers, they would eliminate this competitive advantage. This is not a sufficient basis for the FMCSA or NHTSA to impose such a burdensome requirement."

The final point OOIDA raised is that mandating speed limiters by the feds could very well be stepping on some the toes of some states.

In 1995 Congress specifically returned the authority to create speed limits to the individual states. Mandating speed limiters on trucks would, in effect, be imposing split speed limits on state highways, Johnston pointed out.

Johnston encouraged both agencies to look beyond the ATA petition.

"Instead of entertaining this petition, DOT should spend their valuable time and resources pursuing more concrete solutions to truck safety issues," he wrote in conclusion
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Thanks to all who responded to postings on this topic a week or so ago. Here's a new article I found. This columnist is a FORMER TRUCKER HIMSELF, so he speaks from personal knowledge and sympathy - Shebear

By Frosty Wooldridge, reprinted on www.rense.com
3-5-7


President Bush announced that Mexican truck drivers will be allowed on America's highways within sixty days. Soon, he'll announce that Mexican drivers will "do the jobs that American truckers won't do."

How many ways can an American president screw his own citizens? On Bush's watch, America's poor suffer job losses in landscaping, construction, dry wall, hotel, restaurant, lawn mowing, retail, fast food, roofing, taxi and dozens of other trades. On Bush's watch, outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring work cost American citizens 1,000,000 jobs. On Bush's watch, America's manufacturing sector lost 3 million jobs. On Bush's watch, over 10 million illegal aliens crossed our borders in six years. On Bush's watch, hundreds of thousands of killers, drug dealers, rapists and child molesters roam free in America.

Well, he was voted in you know. Twice.

Now, President Bush drives his serrated knife into the heart of American truckers.

Why? Soon, Mexican truck drivers will undercut wages of all American truckers, just like Mexicans destabilize wages from construction workers, roofers, landscapers and other trades.

This is a reality check from a man who has driven the big rigs across 48 states. As a teacher in the 70s, my salary at $5,400.00 a year, barely kept me above the poverty line. Each summer for 24 years, I loaded, drove 1,500 to 2,000 miles across America, and unloaded for United Van Lines. I busted my hump. I worked 70 to 100 hours a week. Don't tell the DOT. I earned four times as much money in three months as I made in nine months teaching math and science.

What did I discover? American truckers consist of the finest, most dedicated and outstanding professionals in the world. Their office is America's Interstates. They've got to be 100 percent perfect 10 hours a day as they drive 40,000 pounds of freight down the expressway. "Breaker one nine, you got the Rubber Duck here; what's your 20?" CB radios make up their communication network. They listen to country and western music; wear cowboy boots and baseball caps. Truckers fill your life with food, clothing, cars, gasoline, mail and everything else. America moves by trucks. I still carry my CDL.

As a teacher and a trucker, you need to know what I know. The average Mexican trucker tops out with a 6th grade education in a foreign language with Third World educational standards. For starters, 63 percent of Mexico's 104 million people remain illiterate. What does a 6th grader think about? Mostly: me, now and perhaps recess in ten minutes. They lack critical thinking skills and cognitive reasoning of an adult.

That means Bush allows thousands of substandard, uneducated Mexican truck drivers on America's highways at 70 milers per hour carrying 40,000 pounds of freight. It means that every accident they cause will leave American families as collateral damage.

How much education do American truck drivers have? I suspect they don't have business and law degrees, so how educated are they?

You can expect the following:

Bush allows substandard, uninspected 18 wheeler trucks on America's highways driven by drivers who read and write in Spanish at a 6th grade level, but allows them to give a safety check of their trucks from a Third World perspective. That's like giving your 6th grader the keys to the car and tell him to be careful as he drives through downtown Denver at rush hour.
Bush allows thousands of Mexican drivers who have never seen a snow storm or driven in our insane traffic. That's like giving your 6th grader the keys to your car and have him learn how to drive in a snow storm in downtown Chicago.
How about Mexican drivers delivering tons of drugs into our country in false bottomed or walled trailers?

How about American drivers who transport tons of drugs within your country? They do it too. And some of them try to bring it to Canada.

How about Mexican truck drivers delivering even more illegal aliens?
Mexicans possess an unusual propensity for drinking. How many of you want to drive on the same road as a hung over or drunk Mexican truck driver?

Woah now! I can't even take this seriously now. This obviously is not one of those "educated" truck drivers. Racist and full of logical fallacies but he's a good ole boy huh? Please.

How about terrorists paying Mexican drivers to carry WMD into the USA?

What the??? :roll:

As soon as Mexican drivers establish themselves, American trucking companies will start hiring them for half or even a third of American wages. The reasoning will be, "Mexican truckers drive cheaper."

Soon, Bush will say, "Mexican truckers do the jobs that Americans won't do."

Somewhere in the middle of this little shindig Bush created, American truckers will strike back. Their anger will seethe below the surface as they drive down the Interstate. They'll see Mexicans at their truck stops. They hear them speaking another language. They'll see Mexican flags in Mexican trucks. They'll see baseball caps that read, "Your New America."

First you'll hear of an incident where an American trucker cut the air lines or deflated the tires on a Mexican truck. Then, you'll hear of huge pileup with a Mexican truck. Later, you'll hear about American truckers playing cowboy football with their leather boots with Mexican drivers used for the pigskin. Following that, you'll hear about riots in the truck stops with American truckers busting Mexican heads.

And this truck driver has the balls to insult Mexicans. He sounds like a bigot moron. Yeah, way to get truck drivers respect. Go around wrecking others trucks so as to cause accidents, etc. And LOL...as if it's already a fact that the Americans will be busting the Mexican's heads. What an idiot.

It's not too much for illegal aliens taking away hotel jobs from American workers, landscapers, drywallers, painters and fast food workers. It's yet another thing to take jobs away from American truckers. Four million truckers' families depend on a living wage that will be taken away by Mexican drivers. American truckers are big, smart, savvy and protect their own. They're not going to take kindly of Mexican truck drivers horning in on their work.

Well, many of them are smart. And the ones who are won't be engaging in the activities of the previous paragraph.


Bush made huge mistakes; 9/11, WMD, Iraq, open borders, total failure with Katrina, 'the surge,' federal debt, outsourcing our jobs, homeless, America's schools, hospitals overwhelmed, prisons overloaded with illegals, American deaths from drunken illegals and much worse.

Let me guess. Bush caused Katrina too? Oh, American deaths huh? What about if a drunken illegal killed a Canadian tourist within the United States? Are you saying only Americans matter? Idiot.

But giving Mexican trucker drivers jobs over our American truckers will prove a national disaster. It proves to me that Bush doesn't understand nor does he care about American workers and he most certainly doesn't care about American truckers. That's a big ten four!

Yeah a national disaster if any American truckers engage in the idiotic activities spewed a few paragraphs back.



What you can do for a better future for your country:

1. America cannot support another 100 million people added to our country in 34 years, i.e., water crisis, resource depletion, air pollution, gridlock, loss of quality of life, etc.

Sure it can. Instead of relying on other countries for resources maybe they will start using their own?

2. America cannot support lawbreakers being given citizenship.

Like this happens. Some people aren't even allowed to cross the border because they smoked a joint thirty years ago. Give me proof of this situation.

3. America must maintain our English language.

Why? The whole world practically speaks English. You aren't going to lose the language. Are you watching for the black helicopters too?

4. America wants only legal immigrants who play by the rules and speak English.

The former is fine; the latter is unnecessary. No big deal though.

5. America's working poor deserve a chance at jobs taken by illegals.

Nobody deserves a job whatsoever. You get one on your own merits or you starve.

6. America already has too many people and I support a 10 year moratorium on all immigration.

Forgot number four so quickly? I'm getting married to an American, so I'll let it be known that I give a rats ass what you support.

7. Americans must maintain our schools for our children.

No, they need to TEACH their children. If they did a better job they would not have produced this idiotic letter full of logical fallacies and arguments from emotion.

8. We can no longer tolerate 350,000 birthright citizens (anchor babies) annually that subtract from our own citizens.


So what do you propose? Killing them?
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9. Attrition through enforcement by stopping their ability to wire money home, obtain rental housing and jobs.

Wow. You're of the "Gestapo" mentality huh? I hope most Americans are too smart to fall for this.

10. An amnesty failed in 1986, and it will only be worse today. We're being displaced out of our jobs and out of our own country. Call with relentless and never-give-up passion.

To stop this invasion locally and nationally: join www.numbersusa.com for free and you can join www.fairus.org and www.thesocialcontract.com

Invasion? Idiot.

Whether we like it or not, global warming is upon us. We can take action to correct it. Please join www.stopglobalwarming.org for up to the minute information and action items.

Blame the illegal alien invasion for that too. What the hell does global warming (which is false) have to do with the issue????

www.frostywooldridge.com
Nothing but a mindless rant full of logical fallacies and bigoted nonsense. You didn't fool this guy "frosty". :roll:
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