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"I'll tell you ONE thing, T/L. If I came after you with a gun, I wouldn't be sprayin' and prayin'. I'm an expert rifleman. Not that I WOULD come after you, but my point is.... just because I'm FOR gun control, don't mistake me for someone who can't shoot! I don't hunt deer for my own reasons. But, if I DID, I doubt I'd miss often if EVER."

Shooting is a perishable skill, if you don't shoot regularly, you are no longer an expert. There is the deer thing again. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting deer.
 
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So he/they want to own an assault weopon to defend themselves against the government. Kinda sad position to be in when you think about it.

If things are so bad out there, that you really feel the need to defend yourself against the government with an assault weopon, it's gonna be an awfull short war don't you think?? I think you're peeing in the wind my man...
 
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"Now, you guys can continue to puff yourselves up behind your guns if you want.... and continue to belittle me for standing up for the Constitution and the laws of our land. I'm not really impressed! This thread was about the 2nd Ammendment, and I'm here to tell ya... it does NOT guarantee you the right to own assault rifles."

I will suggest, strongly, that it means I have the right to own assault rifles.
In fact I believe it to mean full auto weapons. I'm not sure where I have belittled you, you are the one inserting all the little, eyes rolling, emoticons. The 2nd Amendment amends the Constitution. It is the law of our land. Defend in like your freedoms depend on it.
 
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Old 12-09-2006, 03:30 PM
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He was never trained so thought it would be cute to fire a Auto.
Anybody trained in Weapons wouldn't "Spray" unless they wanted to.
anybody tapping a F...... Terrorists Phone is Fine with me and more power to it. Quit your whineing. Anybody who doesn't have anything to hide doesn't have anything to worry about it. Drone on-This arguement is old.
Plus-Better Re-Research your "Nazi" Facts.
Gore Wanted to Negotiate with Al Queda :roll:

Al Queda has made some statements since the recent election and they're very happy with it. Hmmmm-Wonder Why?
 
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Old 12-09-2006, 03:33 PM
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Look back in history there was another guy who took the rights away from people to own guns . I think his name was hitler .
 
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You can take all the gun away but people who want to kill will find someway to do it. knife , rock stick what ever it take . people were killing before guns were invented .
 
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Old 12-09-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by terrylamar
"T/L says I don't know the difference between a mag and a clip. I disagree. According to Fozzy's quote, an assault weapon is one that can accept a detatchable magazine OR "clip." A "CLIP" is a detatchable magazine. A NON detatchable magazine is the part of a rifle (like a 30/30 Winchester) that holds the rounds that will be uploaded to the breach. Not being a "gun nut" I may have not expressed my point properly. But, I beleive I was right."

You believe wrongly. Magazine and clip are two terms that are not interchangeable. A clip holds the bullets that will be inserted into the magazine. It doesn't matter if the magazine is detachable or not. Remember back to your Air Force days when you went to the firing range. The M16 bullets probably came in a box. There were two 10 round clips inside. You inserted your loader onto the magazine, put the clip into it and pushed the rounds into the magazine.

a SKS can have a high capacity, 30 or 40 round magazine, that is non-detachable.
Well, after doing a little research, I see your point. However, I noted that MANY people as well as gun nuts and writers use the terms interchangeably. I'm sure I got the useage of "clip" from the movies.

Now..... I said:

If it were up to me, there would be NO clips allowed. Only what can be loaded into a rifle's built in magazine. If you can't hit a deer with 7 rounds or so, with a lever action or automatic rifle, you don't deserve to be out there hunting!!!

You said:

You don't even know the difference between a magazine and a clip.

And the website says:

Most lever action 30-30 hold 6 rounds in the magazine, and one in the chamber

THIS is what I was PROPERLY referring to! I'm saying that a hunting rifle only needs to be something like a Mod 94 Winchester (which is what I'm familiar with) and it holds 6 rounds in the MAGAZINE! Loaded ONE AT A TIME through a slot in the side!
 
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Old 12-09-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yoopr
He was never trained so thought it would be cute to fire a Auto.

The chance to fire the MAC-10 just presented itself, Yoop. I was trained well enough to earn expert marksman. I'm sure, with no doubt, I could outshoot your butt!

Anybody trained in Weapons wouldn't "Spray" unless they wanted to.

And if you weren't so thick-headed, you'd realize that this was MY point! A guy with a fully auto assault rifle (converted or not) with a 30 round "clip," could walk into a school or a MacDonald's and SPRAY the area, killing MANY victims!

anybody tapping a F...... Terrorists Phone is Fine with me and more power to it. Quit your whineing. Anybody who doesn't have anything to hide doesn't have anything to worry about it.

And NOW, you've just made my point about registering your weapons! If you don't have anything to HIDE, why worry about it??

And if that terrorist dials a wrong number and gets YOU.... they'll be tapping YOUR phone. That OKAY with you, too?
 
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Old 12-09-2006, 04:13 PM
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The Government has too much controll as it is. IMOP, I should have the right to own any gun I wish. Wether it is a fully auto, single shot, whatever. I would like to see it go back to carrying a gun on the hip, like in the old days.

Could this cause a problem? Maybe, but it will also take care of alot of problems. But no matter what we do, IMOP it don't matter cause it boils down to what the heart beholds. And since the Love of many grow cold. If there not guns, there can always be somthing else, wether car, knives, projectiles of any kind, and ink and paper!

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What happened to our innersense, did it go out of style? No longer Nieve days, No longer a child. Diffrent icing, diffrent things, diffrent hearts beat on diffrent strings. But there are times, when you and me and all such things agree!"
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Old 12-09-2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by terrylamar
"I'll tell you ONE thing, T/L. If I came after you with a gun, I wouldn't be sprayin' and prayin'. I'm an expert rifleman. Not that I WOULD come after you, but my point is.... just because I'm FOR gun control, don't mistake me for someone who can't shoot! I don't hunt deer for my own reasons. But, if I DID, I doubt I'd miss often if EVER."

Shooting is a perishable skill, if you don't shoot regularly, you are no longer an expert. There is the deer thing again. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting deer.
Well.... I'll admit that these days I might need some glasses, but I don't think my shooting skills have suffered. I didn't need to be "trained" to shoot, I did it naturally. When I was a kid, I could shoot an Avery pecan (the little ones) off a tree by breaking the stem and not hitting the nut, with a B.B. gun with no sight. In Basic Training, I had to have my targets recounted several times, because so many rounds went through the same hole with only a telltale tear on one side or the other.

The 2nd Ammendment has nothing to do with you owning assault weapons, either. :wink:

Think back to your days in English class. You remember what a "dependant clause" is? The last part of that ammendment, the part about not infringing on your right to bear arms, is a dependant clause. The part that it is dependant on... is the first part about the need for a militia. These guys were scholars of law and language. They worded things the way they did with great deliberation.

The ONLY reason that they afforded you any gun ownership rights was to serve the purpose of the militia. And, I've already explained how that has been superceded by the National Guard. Any second rate lawyer could make this point in a Federal court and win. The fact that they haven't, shouldn't be confused with the belief that they WON'T.
 
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