Where in the World did this quote come from and the 2nd Amendment? :P :P
Also-I know you're a Marine, once a Jarhead always a Jarhead :P , but you ever hear this people from the Cities on TV talking about people hunting with "Automatic Assault Rifles" lmao

Good Grief-Now a "Semi-auto" Ban????
A Pistol is a Semi-auto then-everytime you pull the trigger Bang
Obvious where you're heading and this Country isn't going there.

 

Ahh the mindset of those who wants to allow only the right to bear arms to the government and the police. The police are not to protect people and they never have been. The police are there to apprehend people one a crime has been commited and to investigate the crime scenes and report this to the courts systems for them to taek it over from there to pass on the punishments and or fines to be placed on the accused.

The problem with this who issue is that these cases where not about one person with a gun, it was the fact that there was no one else there with ANOTHER gun. All of these cases of loonies using guns could have been limited and even stopped cold had there been an armed or several armed people in the areas. The victims were powerless to do anything but die and it really didn't matter if the loonie was carrying a spear or a wrist rocket.

What is an assault weapon?

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

An example of assault weapon legislation is the Federal 1994 Crime Bill. The bill in part outlaws new civilian manufacture of certain semi-automatic assault weapons. It also prohibits new civilian manufacture of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" declared certain weapons as assault weapons, and states a semi-automatic rifle is an assault weapon if it can accept a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following:

* A folding or telescoping stock
* A pistol grip
* A bayonet mount
* A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one
* A grenade launcher.

MOST weapons that act like these "Scary looking" assault weapons are not banned!

The point about scary looking guns being banned over any other type of gun is the same thing about "scary looking" or high performance cars or motorcycles. There are more people who use and enjoy them legally than illegally, yet no one calls for their banning.. In fact when people start taking about simply slowing trucks down the toddler like screaming fits are humorous!

Even Diane Feinstein admits that her anti-assault ban was based PURELY on cosmetics!

 

I also want to see this AAA or shoulder fired nuke.... :roll:

 

golfhobo wrote:



Do criminals register their guns in a spirit of fairness? Which group do you think has less firepower than they otherwise would have because of registration laws; criminals or law abiding citizens?

 

If I am shooting at you, you don't have time to get out of the way if I fire only one round.

Deer rifles don't, I agree. That's why I have no problem with them. Assault weapons most certainly DO spray a full clip in any "un-aimed" direction in which the weapon is pointed while the trigger is pulled! (if set to auto.) There is NO mistake in the term assault weapons... even for a semi-auto. Ask the SWAT team if they don't train to "Assault" a target with their weapons. The definition of an "assault weapon" is one that can fire on auto or semi, up to 30 rounds without stopping to reload.[/quote]

Whos definition is this?

I would rather fight you if you are spaying and praying than if you were aiming. So what, you cut down a sappling. Paraphrashing Bruce Lee, saplings don't shoot back. That is what firearms in the hands of responsible citzens are for, to cut down the nut cases.

And since they did NOT restrict semi-auto weapons... there have been COUNTLESS incidents of them being used in crimes. They are, in fact, the preferred weapons of drive-by shootings and gangland assaults. Where have YOU been? You just MADE my point for the restriction of semi-auto assault weapons!! :roll: [/quote]

I didn't make your point, I made mine. There were restricted, not outlawed. The are many thousands in the hands of fine upstanding citizens. They are not misused. "Assault Weapons" were banned for 10 years. It had no effect on their misuse. The law sunseted because no credible case could be made to renew it.


Quote:
Guns are a heck of a lot less dangerous than cars to EVERYONE


[quote]What's the highest number of persons killed in a single accident caused by a vehicle? Does that exceed the number dead at Columbine? Or many other mass shootings? Tell this B.S. to the survivors of Luby's Diner! Cuz "I" ain't EVEN believing it! Using your logic we should, outside of war, they have killed many more people than firearms.


Actually, she is a proponent for all gun rights. She was instrimental in the Concealed Carry Laws in Texas. She does not limit her fight to only handguns.

[quote]Does this include small tactical NUKES???? Would you EVER draw a line? And, if so, just WHERE???[quote]

Name this unknown handheld grenade launcher and shoulder mounted AA type weapon.

You don't even know the difference between a magazine and a clip. Once again the 2nd Amendment is about protecting ourselves against their government. If the military uses 30 round magazines, so should we. I realize that pesky little 2nd Amendment keeps getting in the way.

Using your senario, what if there are 16 attackers. Roll over and die?

 

People like Golfhobo cannot hide their true feeling that well, to him, the simple act of gun ownership makes the person a criminal.

 

True Gun Control is a Steady Hand.

The First thing the Nazi's in Germany did was take away their Citizen's Guns.

The First thing the Communists in Russia did was take away their Citizen's Land.

 

Look at what happened in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge. What was that line in another thread about history.

 

Funny you should mention Hitler's regime, Yoopr. I have been warning against this for some time. Actually, the FIRST thing the Nazis did was to start taking away the citizen's RIGHTS to privacy, and free speech. The guns came later. I am just as much against the revocation of rights perpetrated by the Nazis and the Communists as YOU are. And I see the same thing happening HERE, by Bush!

You don't want to register your guns because the gov't might come and get them. Yet you don't mind them tapping your phone where they might hear you DISCUSSING owning a gun? What's the difference?

And it was BUSH who signed the law allowing personal property to be taken NOT only under Imminent Domain, but for another's PERSONAL/Capital/Business use!

Fozzy is wrong! I don't consider a gun owner to be a criminal. I am ALL for personal rights. But, with responsibility. Just because I don't own a gun, doesn't mean I think YOU shouldn't be allowed to. I just don't see the need to have an assault weapon UNLESS you are planning to BE a criminal. (no, J/K! I just don't see the NEED!)

ChapChap wants to know if he should be a criminal so he can have better guns than the law abiding citizens. I say, let's enforce the laws, and quit manufacturing assault weapons, and pay more attention to the smuggling of guns from other countries than we do to smuggling a little pot!
Then the criminals won't have them either!

Look, it's not an easy fight! Just like the war on drugs. Just like the war against Terrorism. But, like Pres Kennedy said, "We choose to do these things NOT because they are easy.... but because they are hard!" (paraphrased.)

I don't own a gun today. Someday, I might. I don't care if YOU own one or several! MY POINT was that the arguement you all use of the 2nd Ammendment right does NOT hold water. Neither does any claim about needing them (assault rifles) for hunting deer. Home protection is your best argument, and I can't really debate that. Except to say to T/L that if you run out of bullets in one gun, have ANOTHER loaded and ready to go! Our forefathers defended themselves without assault rifles. Why can't YOU?

If the truth be known.... your only REAL argument is that you want to be armed to the teeth to protect yourself against OR to overthrow the duly elected government of our country! You've all SAID as much! YOU are the ones who distrust the government led by your annointed Saviour! You may someday be proven to be right. I don't know. But, I pity you for your cynicism! You all claim to be great defenders of your flag and country.... but you really only care about defending YOURSELVES against the government of that same country.

Fozzy wants to return to the days of the Old West, where everyone carried a gun, and the first guy that gets liquored up pulls it and gets himself and maybe a few others killed!

He says the only reason the mass shootings happened is because the "citizenry" (sitting at home) wasn't equally armed! B.S.! The flunky school guards could have stopped it with one or two shots from a six gun had they been properly trained and EXPECTING what they were there for! I've told you many times.... AVERAGE people will get you killed every time!

T/L says I don't know the difference between a mag and a clip. I disagree. According to Fozzy's quote, an assault weapon is one that can accept a detatchable magazine OR "clip." A "CLIP" is a detatchable magazine. A NON detatchable magazine is the part of a rifle (like a 30/30 Winchester) that holds the rounds that will be uploaded to the breach. Not being a "gun nut" I may have not expressed my point properly. But, I beleive I was right.

I'll tell you ONE thing, T/L. If I came after you with a gun, I wouldn't be sprayin' and prayin'. I'm an expert rifleman. Not that I WOULD come after you, but my point is.... just because I'm FOR gun control, don't mistake me for someone who can't shoot! I don't hunt deer for my own reasons. But, if I DID, I doubt I'd miss often if EVER.

Now, you guys can continue to puff yourselves up behind your guns if you want.... and continue to belittle me for standing up for the Constitution and the laws of our land. I'm not really impressed! This thread was about the 2nd Ammendment, and I'm here to tell ya... it does NOT guarantee you the right to own assault rifles.

Hobo

 

"T/L says I don't know the difference between a mag and a clip. I disagree. According to Fozzy's quote, an assault weapon is one that can accept a detatchable magazine OR "clip." A "CLIP" is a detatchable magazine. A NON detatchable magazine is the part of a rifle (like a 30/30 Winchester) that holds the rounds that will be uploaded to the breach. Not being a "gun nut" I may have not expressed my point properly. But, I beleive I was right."

You believe wrongly. Magazine and clip are two terms that are not interchangeable. A clip holds the bullets that will be inserted into the magazine. It doesn't matter if the magazine is detachable or not. Remember back to your Air Force days when you went to the firing range. The M16 bullets probably came in a box. There were two 10 round clips inside. You inserted your loader onto the magazine, put the clip into it and pushed the rounds into the magazine.

a SKS can have a high capacity, 30 or 40 round magazine, that is non-detachable.