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    Smile Hopper bottom / end dumps

    which one has best freight base ?
    Nationaly...

    Which is higher revenue?

    Reason I ask...

    Got oppertunity at a local outfit that has the following

    1 . 85 trucks
    2. 50 hopper 40 enddumps 20 pneumatics 15 vans

    Pay breakdown
    (percentage pay)

    25.5
    26.0 (90days)
    26.5 ( 180 days)
    27.0 (1 year)

    0.5 rasie each year after till
    30.0 cap

    Bonus
    1.0 cpm for have hazmat end for all loaded miles hazmat or not...
    2.0 cpm safety for all miles loaded or mt
    ( yes bonus is cpm not percentage)
    I know that's weird

    5.0 percent extra to pull a load out on
    Saturday or Sunday or if your load delivers on one of those days
    5.0 percent

    On top of your normal pay scale

    INS
    90/10
    vacation to start

    I know I don't want pnuematics but wondering if I should go
    1. Hopper
    2. End dump

    If it gets slow. I can pull any trailer they have put I have to pick a division to start

    Also does this pay plan sound good I have never. Been on percentage so not sure

    They also pay

    $9.00 per hour after 2 for unload
    $9.00 per hour after 2 for breakdown


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    $0.27 per mile after one year is low, even for hopper bottom work. Back when I did hopper bottoms (from 1997-2003), starting pay was at $0.27 per mile. A $0.30 per mile cap is also a bad thing. Miles can fluctuate greatly when it comes to hopper bottoms and end dumps, depending upon the time of year.

    Their "$9.00 per hour after 2 hours" just plain sucks. 2 hours unloading a hopper bottom is a lifetime. The last hopper bottom company I worked at, they gave a flat $20 for loading and $20 for unloading. If I would have been on a pay program such as yours, the chances of actually getting paid anything would have been few and far between. You'll find that most of your delays will be on loading anyway.

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    percentage
    Not mileage pay

    Example
    1000 to truck 500 mile run
    I make
    255.50
    +15.00 bonus
    =
    270.50

    Not 25 cpm
    25.5 percent
    Cap is 30.0 percent

    Only milege pay is bonus program

    If same load is a
    Weekend
    Make
    $50.00
    More
    5.0 percent weekend pay

    So
    320.50
    If a weekend

    Which has best freight base

    Hopper
    Or enddump

    Thanks

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    I forgot to mention also
    This is OTR

    5 days out 1.5 to 2.0 home
    Can stay out longer if desired

    Truck I will get is

    2007 pete 386
    With apu
    65 governed

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    actually, your getin a decent deal with that kind of percentage!! who is this company??!! i pulled a 40ft frameless dump from 12/97 til 12/2000 and made 27% and i made good money back then. we got into hauling contaminated soil for alot of big companies throught the country. i would love to get back into end dump and hopper bottom work!!
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    they have 40 ft frameless

    It's a small outfit by my house here in mo

    A&r transport
    Has some good deals
    Artransport.com

    Bulkmatic
    Also

    This deal I have u have to live close to yard like 50 miles only one terminal

    The haul
    Bad dirt
    Lime
    Rock
    Grain
    Bout anything

    I was reading the pamplet
    And if u get 2700 miles with no accident they also pay
    You an additional
    5 percent of your gross pay
    So
    1000 gross
    Would be 50 bucks
    So hey.....

    I just wonder if the freight is more a plenty on
    Hopper or dump
    I gotta decide my division

    I figure more freight less mt miles equal more cash
    Even if it's a little less a ton pay

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    i used to work for them. they didnt have end dump or hoppers when i was there. you will make money with them. you need to ask them which division does better and ask them if you are allowed to pull both depending on what they need at the time!! just make sure you communicate with them. i got fired because of lack of communication. in orientation, they told us to never turn down a load..so i didnt and got tired because of trying to run run run and i had a few late loads pulling a liquid tank for them and they got upset. so make sure to communicate and let them know about your hours, like i said, you will make money with them. please keep me up to date and let me know how things go with them!!!
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    yeah
    U can pull both

    But
    U have to be attached to a division

    They also have a few
    Pneumatics
    And
    Vans
    If it is other wise slow

    They say it down now but in a month or so it booms till
    October nov then slows a little but u can still
    Get
    750/ 850 a week slow time they say

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    Why

    are you posting

    like this?

    It is

    extremely

    annoying.

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    I have no idea what this company has for a freight base but from my perspective end dumps would have more work. Most anything that can go into a hopper bottom can go into an end dump and can be dumped anywhere. Hopper bottoms most always need a pit to dump over.

    Downside to a dump is they are easy to tip over when you are dumping and this would put you at more risk for a crash on your dac.
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    I've heard end dumps are more risky to turn over especially if load sticks in front of trailer
    They will roll over. Hoppers got to have a pit to unload over my thought has been end dump
    But idk ...
    Hopper seems the safer bet but like u said if it can go in a hopper it can go in a dump

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    Just out of curiosity, why have you dismissed the pneumatics? The freight generally pays well and you don't usually have to wait to load or unload.

    I pulled them for a company in Brandon SD for a couple of years back in about 1999 and always made at least 1000.00 per week and had one week on a special haul from Houston to Virginia Minnesota that paid me over 1500 and only took 5 days. I was home every 10 days and was NEVER asked or allowed to run without hours. The only thing I didn't like about them was the frequent washouts but it wasn't that bad.
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    I was told on pneumatics that it was a hassle with blowing frieght in and out to load and unload
    Was also told that you had to have pressure settings in top set just right which doesn't scare me they just acked as if it were a huge hassle they did say you can do things like sugar flour etc with them also which did seem as a plus

    But to answer your question I don't guess I have completely dismissed them just baising the other two options best from here say
    I am glad you have given some positive input on that division
    Please tell us more about them if you will I really do not know much about any of this bulk stuff I pulled a dry box for 10 years and have thought about the switch for the last few months reasons are mainly home time and the company terminal is just 9 miles away so. I have flirted with this a while now and just went in to talk to them Tuesday I was impressed

    Talked to a few of their drivers I saw on the yard they all seemed happy also

    On pneumatics I was also told freight avaloabilty is lower also but I don't know I base this off hear say

    Please give insight

    Thanks

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    I am also going to get my TWIC card which should open things up for me at the ports for freight also I have my HAZMAT and cleared for GOV freight also I figure with getting my passport for Canada I should be able to touch a broad specturium of freight oppertunites

    Does any one got any insite or have any information on the TWIC which from what I have been told will be a plus to have cause by end 2009 even inland river ports will require this card for access

    Thanks

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    kentucky24 said - "Please tell us more about them"

    I never did any food products though the company I worked for did a lot of that. They did commodities like Corn Meal, Flour, Whey, and powdered eggs just to mention a few. The products I hauled were Bentonite which is powered clay, Catalist to refineries, Salt for animal feed, Coal Dust/Sand mix used at foundries, Powered Lime and things of that nature. The food products require a wash out between every load where the non-food sometimes I could go 3 or 4 loads before washing the trailer out.

    I have to say that I did a fair amount of deadhead but the loads paid enough to compensate easily. I had one load of caol dust that went from Minneapolis to a foundry in about the center of Michigan and then had to deadhead to a small town just north of Milwaukee for a load of lime dust that went back to Minneapolis. I was out for three days and had to get the trailer washed out but the truck made $2700.00 so I made just over 700 in three days. At first I was going to refuse the load to Michigan until they told me what it paid. They said they new there would be nothing coming out of Michigan so they charge a rate that allows for a 400-500 mile deadhead.

    As far as blowing off the loads, It only takes 30 to 90 minutes and I rarely had to wait to unload. The 30 to 90 minutes is dependent on how high you have to lift the product (how tall the silo is) and the size of the blower you have and the size of the off load hose an tube. The pressures are important but only about 15-17 PSI. The pressure only pushes the product from the tank to the tube on the bottom of the trailer but it's the volume of air that you move that determines how long it will take. If you've got a 5" hose and offload tube and the larger blower (I think its 14") and don't have to go higher then about 100 feet you can offload in about 20 minutes once you get used to it. You need to monitor the pressure while you unload but once your used to it you just learn where to set the valves and things go very smooth. Everything I did was loaded from the top and only takes 5-10 minutes. Some trailers have a unit on the back to be able to load itself but I have never done that.

    I hope this was helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentucky24 View Post
    I am also going to get my TWIC card which should open things up for me at the ports for freight also I have my HAZMAT and cleared for GOV freight also I figure with getting my passport for Canada I should be able to touch a broad specturium of freight oppertunites

    Does any one got any insite or have any information on the TWIC which from what I have been told will be a plus to have cause by end 2009 even inland river ports will require this card for access

    Thanks
    go to this site https://twicprogram.tsa.dhs.gov/TWICWebApp/Privacy.do

    pre enroll then schedule an appointment to go get fingerprints done,then they will call you to come back and pick up your card. takes about 3-4 weeks total from enrollment to when you have your card. $132.50 or less if you have hazmat fingerprints done already. any place that has water access will require a TWIC.
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