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    Default Another logbook question/ Recap hours.

    Ok I just read something and how I'm confused :? , say I run out of hours on my 7th day, I would have to wait untill midnight on my 8th day to get the hours back from my 1st day? And say they where 10 hours (if I'm right) and I only drove 6 I cant roll those 4 hours onto the 9 th day? I thought that was right but from what I read it is not. :?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbatson
    Ok I just read something and how I'm confused :? , say I run out of hours on my 7th day, I would have to wait untill midnight on my 8th day to get the hours back from my 1st day?
    Let's say your 70 hours began on Monday, July 7. You would gain back any hours you drove on Monday, July 7 on Tuesday, July 15th at 12:00 AM (8 days later).

    And say they where 10 hours (if I'm right) and I only drove 6 I cant roll those 4 hours onto the 9 th day? I thought that was right but from what I read it is not. :?
    If you gained 10 hours on your 8th day, and you only used 6 of those 10, the extra 4 hours rolls over onto the 9th day. If you were gaining 10 hours on day 9, you would have 14 hours available.

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    Yes I believe you have it right. If you run 10 hours a day for 7 days on the 8th day you will have no hours until the next day, then you will have 10 from the 1st day. If you only use 6 then the following day you will pick up another 10 plus the 4 left over. However, if you use up all your hours in 7 days and your going to sit around all day on the 8th day you're pretty much going to be doing a 34 hour restart anyways unless you're really crunched for time. In my way of doing things I run hard all week, 11-12 hour days, then when Thursday or Friday rolls around I hope for a weekend run that delivers on Monday but is the right mileage that I can run real hard and get there Saturday night then lounge around doing a 34 hour restart until my load delivers Monday morning. The 8.75 hours each day thing generally doesn't work out here. Too much going on, too many places to be unless you have a set run. 8) 8)

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    Ok that is what I thought , I read somewhere that my hours would not roll over but I either read it wrong or something.

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    Remember though, if you hit the magic 70 hours mark, you MUST take the 34 hour reset. Make sure you shut down at 69.75 if you have roll over hours to work with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655
    Remember though, if you hit the magic 70 hours mark, you MUST take the 34 hour reset.
    Ummmm......No.

    There is no requirement that says you must take a 34 hour reset.

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    Most newer drivers would be in DEEP DO DO if and when the DOT gets rid of the 34hr reset. I never had one and always had to watch my hours near the end of the 8 day stretch. That is one of the things PATT wants out of the new regs when they are written. Think about it you have 14 to work so in 5 days out of hours and then reset on the night of the 5th one and then 6th one. 7th day have a fresh 70 and over the next 2 days you can work 28 more which in my books makes you more tired than before in terms of HOURS WORKED. Of course the ATA is against removing the 34 hour reset why means they can force more work into the same stretch when we use to have only 70.

    I never had trouble making money with the old system yet everyone hated it we had more flexiblity than the current one NO 14 hour clock before a shutdown and the 34 hour reset WTF was that we had to actually use math and figure out how many hours we did have and communicate that to dispatch instead of just taking a reset. BTW that system lasted close to 70 YEARS before the ATA got the 1st rewrite what are they on now the 3rd and still it does not pass muster in the court system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
    Quote Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655
    Remember though, if you hit the magic 70 hours mark, you MUST take the 34 hour reset.
    Ummmm......No.

    There is no requirement that says you must take a 34 hour reset.
    Are you sure about that? Say I go 70 hours then how long do I have to sit before I can do another 70 hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Are you sure about that?
    Positive.

    Say I go 70 hours then how long do I have to sit before I can do another 70 hours?
    If you use up all 70 hours within 8 days, you must wait as long as it takes for hours to start dropping off.

    Let's say you ran 8.75 hours per day for 8 days. You'd have 70 hours in 8 days. On day 9, you would gain back 8.75 hours from day 1. On day 10, you'd gain back 8.75 hours from day 2. And so on, and so forth. 34 hour resets are never, and have never been, mandatory.

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    Interesting, because according the the Fedral Motor Carriers Safety Administration it says


    May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
    A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/HOS-2005.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Interesting, because according the the Fedral Motor Carriers Safety Administration it says


    May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
    A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/HOS-2005.htm
    A driver MAY restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TK THE TRUCKER
    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Interesting, because according the the Fedral Motor Carriers Safety Administration it says


    May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
    A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/HOS-2005.htm
    A driver MAY restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. :wink:
    Or the driver can keep on driving and get put out of service by DOT.

    Funny thing is I have seen this happen.

    There is no such thing as running more then 70 hours without taking a 34 hour.

    Our company has had drivers put out of service for running more then 70 hours without a 34.

    So yes you may begin another 70 hour week after a 34 hour but then again you can take a 48 hour or what ever you wish. The way it was explained to me by ND DOT and SD DOT and Iowa DOT and Mn DOT along with MO DOT is that there is a minimum of a 34 that must be taken before you can start another 70 hour week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Quote Originally Posted by TK THE TRUCKER
    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Interesting, because according the the Fedral Motor Carriers Safety Administration it says


    May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
    A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/HOS-2005.htm
    A driver MAY restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. :wink:
    Or the driver can keep on driving and get put out of service by DOT.

    Funny thing is I have seen this happen.

    There is no such thing as running more then 70 hours without taking a 34 hour.

    Our company has had drivers put out of service for running more then 70 hours without a 34.

    So yes you may begin another 70 hour week after a 34 hour but then again you can take a 48 hour or what ever you wish. The way it was explained to me by ND DOT and SD DOT and Iowa DOT and Mn DOT along with MO DOT is that there is a minimum of a 34 that must be taken before you can start another 70 hour week.
    What your D.O.T. was saying is before you have a FULL 70 hours available you have to take a 34 hour reset. However, as the REV said you can gain back hours and not take a 34 hour reset.

    This the way it was before we had the 34 hour rule.

    Were the problem comes is if you burn your 70 in less than 7 days (i.e. drive 11 hour days until you burn your 70) you will have to wait till you gain back the hours you drove the first day. Or take a 34 hour reset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
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    Interesting, because according the the Fedral Motor Carriers Safety Administration it says


    May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
    A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...s/HOS-2005.htm
    A driver MAY restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty. :wink:
    Or the driver can keep on driving and get put out of service by DOT.
    Yup, that's what happens when you DRIVE past your available time.

    Funny thing is I have seen this happen.
    You have seen drivers get in trouble when they get caught not following the rules?

    There is no such thing as running more then 70 hours without taking a 34 hour.
    There's no such thing as driving more than 70 hours IN 8 DAYS without taking a 34 hour restart.
    Our company has had drivers put out of service for running more then 70 hours without a 34.
    Sounds like nobody at your company understands the HOS REG's. Once again the 34 hour has nothing to do with it. They got put out of service for driving past the combined driving and on duty not driving time of 70 hours within 8 days. Nothing says you can't work past 70 hours in 8 days. You can work 100 hours a week if you want too, you just can't drive a CMV after your driving and on duty not driving time has reached 70 hours. This also goes for the 14 hour rule each day. You just can't drive after being on duty or driving for 14 hours. You can fuel, post trip and whatever else past 14 hours, just can't drive until you have taken 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth or 10 hours off combined sleeper berth and off duty.

    So yes you may begin another 70 hour week after a 34 hour but then again you can take a 48 hour or what ever you wish. The way it was explained to me by ND DOT and SD DOT and Iowa DOT and Mn DOT along with MO DOT is that there is a minimum of a 34 that must be taken before you can start another 70 hour week.
    The 34 hour restart is not mandatory. If you want to start fresh then you can take one if you want or just pick up hours each day. 8) 8)

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    Ok then, how does someone legally gain back hours from the first day?

    I know that the 14 hour daily clock does not stop unless you stop for 8 hours or more.

    I know that I can have a total of 70 hours of working time while in the truck and that I need to take a break after said 70 hours.

    Dot has told me that I need to take a minimum of 34 hours after putting in a 70 hour week.

    But then can dot officers from so many states be wrong on this?

    I know one driver very well, and he was put out of service. He worked his 70, stopped for a 10 and tried going back to work again, got stopped and checked and was put OOS for 34 hours.

    The runs we do run right on the edge of 11 hours total driving time then add pti and fueling along with loading and unloading and it comes to over 12 hours a day if things go good. Many times I am pushing hard against the 14 hour clock.

    So if I am lucky I run out of hours in about 6 days but most of the time I am out in 5 days with only a couple hours to spare.

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    the Rev is right.
    I know several drivers that never take 34 hr breaks because they like working a short day 8.75hrs and they are out for 3-4 weeks before extended home time.

    1 jan 8.75
    2 jan 8.75
    3 jan 8.75
    4 jan 8.75
    5 jan 8.75
    6 jan 8.75
    7 jan 8.75
    8 jan 8.75
    9 jan 8.75
    10 jan 8.75

    If you add up the 1thru8 of jan you have 70 hrs, or if you add up 2-9 jan.
    at the end of your 8th day you hit 70hrs then you go to bed. and wake up to a new day counting it and the 7days before you have 8 days with only61.25 hrs total, now if you work longer on one day you have to shorten the next to keep this rhythm going or vice versa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat
    Ok then, how does someone legally gain back hours from the first day?

    Legally.... per the HOS regulations.

    I know that the 14 hour daily clock does not stop unless you stop for 8 hours or more.

    Not exactly true.

    I know that I can have a total of 70 hours of working time while in the truck and that I need to take a break after said 70 hours.

    Wrong.

    Dot has told me that I need to take a minimum of 34 hours after putting in a 70 hour week.

    Wrong. No they didn't. You misunderstood them.

    But then can dot officers from so many states be wrong on this?

    Well..... that is always possible.... but, I doubt it. You misunderstood them.

    I know one driver very well, and he was put out of service. He worked his 70, stopped for a 10 and tried going back to work again, got stopped and checked and was put OOS for 34 hours.

    Because he "burned" his 70 in LESS than 8 days, so 10 hours off wasn't enough to allow him to DRIVE again. Neither HE... nor YOU.... understand the regs.

    The runs we do run right on the edge of 11 hours total driving time then add pti and fueling along with loading and unloading and it comes to over 12 hours a day if things go good. Many times I am pushing hard against the 14 hour clock.

    So, you are burning your 70 hours (ALLOWED within 8 days) in about 6 days! If you do this, you WILL need a 34 hour reset, which is LESS time than it would take to gain back hours.

    So if I am lucky I run out of hours in about 6 days but most of the time I am out in 5 days with only a couple hours to spare.

    So YOU would need a 34 hour reset to get back on the road the soonest! It is not MANDATORY that you burn your hours so quickly.
    Rat: I am not trying to be "flippant" here. But, it is obvious that you don't understand the HOS regs. No shame.... MANY new drivers don't! Before WE go through it all again, how about scrolling down through this and earlier pages on this subforum and click on EVERY thread about HOS?

    Can several DOT officers be wrong? Yes.... they can. Can ALL of us truckers on this site be wrong? NO.... we can't! But.... there are MANY on here who don't/didn't understand the HOS.... and it has ALL been explained many times before. DO THE RESEARCH on our previous threads, and then IF you still don't understand.... one of us will go through it all over again for you. That's part of what we DO here! :wink:

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    Never doubt me when it comes to HOS. I am always right. You cannot drive more than 70 hours in an 8 day period. On day 9, you gain back the hours you worked on day 1. A 34 hour reset will wipe the slate clean, but it is not mandatory that you take a 34 hour reset at any point. If you run out of your 70 hours, you have two options: Either wait for your 8 day clock to catch up, or take a 34 hour reset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDiesel
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