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    I failed a drug test but I am going threw the SAP program will any trucking companies hire me after I get done with the SAP program?

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    I failed a drug test but I am going threw the SAP program will any trucking companies hire me after I get done with the SAP program?
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    It may take a year or two after you completed the SAP program before any company will look at you, but that is better than never if you don't complete it.
    Finding the right trucking company is like finding the right person to marry. I really comes down to finding one whose BS you can put up with and who can put up wih yours.

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    Most companies, however, have a zero-tolerance policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenntrucker
    I failed a drug test but I am going threw the SAP program will any trucking companies hire me after I get done with the SAP program?
    hopefully not :!:

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    Sorry but co.,s do not care about the sap program, as a matter of fact I don't know exactly who the sap program is for. Definitely not the employer so it is to show that a individual has gone thru a rehab program, whether they are rehabed or not they have documentation stating they wen't thru a rehab. Truly I would like to know someone who has been hired with sap paper work. When you present they papers the co. now knows you had a drug issue and they will not take a chance on you and above all the insurance carriers will not insure you. This does not mean you cannot get a trucking job just not by any major carriers or not by a dac subscribing co. Now, head up, eyes open believe in yourself and leave drugs alone; good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    Sorry but co.,s do not care about the sap program, as a matter of fact I don't know exactly who the sap program is for. Definitely not the employer so it is to show that a individual has gone thru a rehab program, whether they are rehabed or not they have documentation stating they wen't thru a rehab. Truly I would like to know someone who has been hired with sap paper work. When you present they papers the co. now knows you had a drug issue and they will not take a chance on you and above all the insurance carriers will not insure you. This does not mean you cannot get a trucking job just not by any major carriers or not by a dac subscribing co. Now, head up, eyes open believe in yourself and leave drugs alone; good luck.
    You ask for someone who has been thru the S.A.P. program. Well I have. I failed the random drug test ( refused test - couldn't urinate ). Went thru the S.A.P. program which amounted to going to 6 meetings and paying 600 bucks. Plus, I was required to have six additional randoms done in the next year. I was offered 2 different jobs shortly after completing the program ( One was with a 600+ truck fleet ). Neither company had a problem getting me approved thru their respective insurance companies.

    Maybe the big difference me and many others is: (1) I owned by own truck. (2) My age. I was over 55 years old. (3) Never had a history of drug use.

    Since that first company I changed companies and the new company had no problem getting me approved thru their insurance company.

    One other thing I might add is most of the major carriers are self insurance or have high deductibles. I guess what I'm saying I'm not sure it is the insurance that is the problem. I'm beginning to believe many companies use the insurance card as an excuse for other reasons to turn down applications.

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    as a matter of fact I don't know exactly who the sap program is for.
    The SAP program is part of the FMCSA regs and is required after a failed drug test if a driver is to have any hopes of driving again.

    Granted, many companies will not want anything to do with someone if they have failed a drug test, especially for the first few years afterwards, but there are some, especially the smaller ones, who are willing to give a driver a chance.

    I will say this though. I think drug test results should be made available for lifetime. This way companies will know for certain what they are getting into when it comes to hiring a driver.
    Finding the right trucking company is like finding the right person to marry. I really comes down to finding one whose BS you can put up with and who can put up wih yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uturn2001
    as a matter of fact I don't know exactly who the sap program is for.
    The SAP program is part of the FMCSA regs and is required after a failed drug test if a driver is to have any hopes of driving again.

    Granted, many companies will not want anything to do with someone if they have failed a drug test, especially for the first few years afterwards, but there are some, especially the smaller ones, who are willing to give a driver a chance.

    I will say this though. I think drug test results should be made available for lifetime. This way companies will know for certain what they are getting into when it comes to hiring a driver.
    Problem with the FMCSA regs on S.A.P. they make rule and then have now way knowing if the driver ever attends the program. There is no data bases showing anything about a driver's records. In the case of drug ( as well as any other information ) they rely on previous employers for this information. Many companies "cook the books" when it comes to driver's records. And short of a major lawsuit no one knows it is being done.

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    You ask for someone who has been thru the S.A.P. program. Well I have. I failed the random drug test ( refused test - couldn't urinate ).
    How did this happen? I can understand going to a drug test and not being able to urinate at that moment. But, I would wait however long it takes and do whatever to give them my sample. I wouldn't jeopardize my job and career because I had trouble urinating.

    I don't disbelieve you at all about your NOT using drugs, but how did you get a refused test? Does the drug testing lab only give so much time? Was it a reasonable amount of time(eg. 2-4 hours, but not 24 hours!)?

    I have been drug tested many times and I haven't had this problem. I do know that it can happen, but how much time were you giving?

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    I have been offered a job with C.W. Johnson Xpress when I get done with the SAP program

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    Quote Originally Posted by danske
    You ask for someone who has been thru the S.A.P. program. Well I have. I failed the random drug test ( refused test - couldn't urinate ).
    How did this happen? I can understand going to a drug test and not being able to urinate at that moment. But, I would wait however long it takes and do whatever to give them my sample. I wouldn't jeopardize my job and career because I had trouble urinating.

    I don't disbelieve you at all about your NOT using drugs, but how did you get a refused test? Does the drug testing lab only give so much time? Was it a reasonable amount of time(eg. 2-4 hours, but not 24 hours!)?

    I have been drug tested many times and I haven't had this problem. I do know that it can happen, but how much time were you giving?

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    Two things happened. 1) I had just taken a leak less than 10 minutes before I was notified of the random drug test. The testing location is less than 1 1/2 miles from the terminal. 2) I have an enlarged prostate which causes me to have problems urinating. In my case it was more than 12 hours before I had to go again after the random.

    I was given 2 hours for the complete time I was at the testing lab.

    At the end of the 2 hours I was given the options to give a FULL sample. Failing to give a full sample I was declared -- Refused test. The MRO refused to accept my condition since I had not seen a doctor for over six months. Even after the Doctor advised him of my condition. I had contacted my doctor and he even took a blood test less than 48 hours after the clinic declared me -- refused to test. But the MRO will not accept a blood test for a drug test.

    What was bad is I had just taken a random less than 2 weeks before. But since it was a new month my number came up again. Wasn't I lucky.

    I was like you I had away been able to pass the drug test before. But this time I couldn't give the sample in the allot time.

    As far as doing drugs. I have never used drugs. Drugs use when I was growing up didn't occur. I graduated in 1963. At least not in the towns I grew up in. Let me put it this way I was a junior in high school before I went to a school with more than 150 students in the whole school.

    It is all history now. I retired over 2 years ago.


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    I am surprised they would not accept a blood test in lieu of a urine test. It seems to me as though you did everything you could to comply with their wishes.

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    Kaycee: Not that it matters anymore, but check out part 40.191 and furhter.

    The MRO acted irresponsibly, and owes you $600 bucks for the classes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMAN
    I am surprised they would not accept a blood test in lieu of a urine test. It seems to me as though you did everything you could to comply with their wishes.
    As strange as it seems D.O.T. is the one that will not accept a blood test. Nor will the accept a hair sample. Which even the D.O.T. admits are much better test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Kaycee: Not that it matters anymore, but check out part 40.191 and furhter.

    The MRO acted irresponsibly, and owes you $600 bucks for the classes!
    The only thing that wasn't done by the book was the waiting time. I should have had 2 hours AFTER I first was ask for the sample.

    And not being advised NOT to give a sample if I couldn't give a full amount.

    Believe me I spent weeks talking and faxing everyone trying to resolve my problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc0iv
    Quote Originally Posted by GMAN
    I am surprised they would not accept a blood test in lieu of a urine test. It seems to me as though you did everything you could to comply with their wishes.
    As strange as it seems D.O.T. is the one that will not accept a blood test. Nor will the accept a hair sample. Which even the D.O.T. admits are much better test.

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    The whole medical industry is the culprits. They 'try' to show their worth by invalidating candidates with no other supporting evidence based soley on 'procedural rules' made in part by the doctors and/or their lobbyists themselves.

    Doctors don't help people get well, since lose money that way. The drug test industry with 'procedural rules' influenced by doctors themselves, is a scam. Sure they filter some drivers who just go to smaller companies, but the 'procedural rules' are what disqualifies a significant portion of innocent drivers and NOT the positive tests.

    Hitler was big on zero tolerance policies too I believe.

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    The problem lies with the PILL POPPING society that we live in and have lived in since the 60's. We as a society want instant gratification and to make the symptoms to go away, if one doctor will not give us the satisfaction and stuff pretty pills down our throats, then we will go to another doctor who will. The enemy is again, society who eat junk, don't care of themselves until they are truly ill and then want the doctor to cure them in minutes.. after all there's an important show on TV they might miss.

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    Having just gone thru two life threatening events ( stroke & heart attack) I would have to totally agree with you Fozzy.

    While I wasn't concerned about some TV program I sure wasn't a poster boy for good health. Now I have to change my habits and live a better lifestyle.

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    As far as 'procedural rules' I lay the blame on the D.O.T. The are slow to accept new procedures. Which maybe caused by resistance from drug companies. In my case either a hair test or a blood test would have proved I had not taken illegal drugs.

    I would have to disagree that doctors don't want people to get well. Yes I'm sure in a very small number of doctors that over test to defended themselves in possible lawsuits. And even a few that won't accept a better treatment.

    But by and large I think Fozzy hit the nail on the head. We don't take care of yourself and expect doctors to perform miracles when something happens. I know in my cases I had two stokes and two heart attacks before I finally determined I was the one who had to change.

    As to my drug test yes a 'procedural rules' got in the way. But even with that being said the major problem was the trucking industry. After it was determined I didn't have a drug problem the industry still said NO.

    My recommendation for drivers is to take care of themselves and when a problem arises get medical help before it becomes a major problem.

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