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Why not ask the ones that fail at the exact same position as the ones that fail? Afraid that they'll find out the numbers that fail are higher than the ones that succeed?[/quote]

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Oh ladies ,and gentlemen it's an instant BURN return for Cluggy19 with an un-expected assist from Malaki86 ..........BURN !!!

What gets me is that the recruiters only want to talk about the ones that actually do good in a position. I don't care what trucking company or what account it is, some drivers will do great at it, while the majority don't.

Why not give numbers that truly show how the account works out for the drivers, like 95% retention for account a, 17% retention for account b, etc. Don't just say 'This driver has been on this account for x number of years and is making y amount of dollars.'

Why would you want to know anything from someone who failed at a job?
This is the same with any job in any industry. Human nature is pretty easy to understand. You will never hear anyone in any industry say these words...."I failed because I suck at the job and I didnt do the right thing to succeed" Yet, in any job or industry that is almost always that the reason someone failed. Now, with that in mind, when talking to someone about a job that they failed, how are you truly going to know how good or bad the job is?
Ive said this before, my job is no different. Ive been recruiting here a long time. I love my job. But it is a tough job with a lot of pressure. Since Ive been here, Ive seen hundreds and hundreds of recruiters start here and fail and who are now gone. If anyone would ask them, they would say "that job sucks and you cant make money" Good thing Im not the type of person who listens to failures. I didnt fail, because Im much better than those people.
Hey....if you want to listen to people who have failed at a job for advice....thats your decision. Who knows, you might not be a better driver than those people. Therefore you would probably fail too.

No I agree ...for example I drove for Werner ,and as a 48/Canada driver I struggled to get 2000-2200 miles a week with the trips I got which were 150-300 mile short runs on the east coast ... Now I had met a few drivers that seemed to get nothing less than 500-700 mile runs on 48/Canada ,and were not spending 85 % of their time on the east coast ...Not too mention they were making like 34 CPM at 6 months and your not supposed to be above 26cpm at 6 months ...what they had done was got on a dedicated account and jumped off it But were allowed to keep the increased rate of pay...I guess my point is not everyone receives the exact same treatment at these large companies despite the claims of them being to large to give special treatment to specific drivers .

I'm not trying to call you out or anything - this is a general posting in regards to almost every recruiter out there.

Why would a person fail at the job? How about dispatch not getting them anywhere near the miles they were told they'd average per week by a recruiter. How about not getting miles because their average length of haul is 400 miles, and they'll spend 4-6hrs per day sitting in docks.

Sure, there are plenty of people that fail because of their own fault, ie wanting to sit around truck stops all day, spending all their money before they even get it, etc.

By looking at the retention rate of different accounts, you'd quickly know if the account sucks or not. If 80% of the drivers on account A stay on that account and only 10% of the drivers on account B stay on that account, which would you rather do? The recruiters won't give out these numbers, especially for a crap account. They don't want the potential drivers to know how bad the account sucks.

I went through the exact same thing when I first hired on at USXpress and got their Home Depot account. Only about 10% of my hauls was actually Home Depot. Probably 75% of the hauls was roll paper. I learned the hard way, and now know to do more research on my own, because the recruiters may not blatantly lie to you, they definitely won't give you all the info you need.

When I came to Celedon, I had all my research done. When I called recruiting, I simply asked the same questions about them that I'd heard from other drivers. And to this day the info I was given is about 99.9% accurate.

I would think some people get special treatment in all jobs in all industries.
If I were doing a job and someone else was getting special treatment and I wasnt. I would try to figure out what that other person was doing different from me.
I usually tell the drivers this before they come to orientation. "when you communicate with your dispatcher and fleet manager the first time, say these words..Hello, im (insert name here), what can I do to make your job easier and make things run more smoothly?" Some people would call that kissing butt....some people are too cocky to ask that and think they know the best way to run things. Personally, I call it doing what it takes to succeed. I call it "getting on the right side of the people who control my paycheck"
We have all met the "super truckers" who know everything and dispise the dispatchers and fleet managers. Ive actually hired drivers who within the first minute of talking to FMs and dispatchers and told them "THIS IS HOW I AM GOING TO RUN IT....Dont like it, find another driver" and then they wonder why their miles suffer.

Ok....let me ask you this. I have hired tons of celedon drivers. They would all tell me the job you are doing sucks. Are they telling the truth, or are you just a better driver than them?

Once again, let me point out something. As a recruiter I talk to more drivers about their jobs and employers on a daily, weekly and monthly basis than anyone in the industry. I can tell you that there isnt a company out there where the MAJORITY of drivers I talk to arent happy. On the other side of the coin there isnt a job out there where I couldnt catch a driver having a bad day and hire him away from that job.
Now.... there are a lot of job hoppers in this industry. The driver shortage is its own worse enemy with no solution is sight. Those "job hoppers" for the most part are going to throw up their hands and quit the first time something goes wrong. They know virtually every company is hiring. They feel sometimes its easier to just switch jobs than possibly admit they might not be running smart. And they feel its easier to switch jobs than try to help fix something thats not working right in the company.


Once again, Im not going two dwell on the negative people who fail at a job. Im just not a negative person and its non-productive. When recruiting, I deal in averages. I will tell you what the average driver makes. I will also tell you some of the drivers who succeed on a job. Thats the thing about averages. Not everyone is a average driver.....simple math will tell you that there are always below average. Whether you are a below average driver or not is up to you, not up to me.

In my case I was one of the drivers that had on time service for the entire 14 months I was there ...And it never failed the guys that seemed clueless that were quick to call dispatch and complain loudly were the ones getting the better end of the stick . I can't speak for J.B. But Werner had terrible miles for solo drivers no matter how hard you ran ...