[greenmachine]

The Site below explains how the Gentiles relate to and work with the Jews for maximizing their Benefits in G-D's plan.


http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/seven_laws.php


Here's a site for converting to Judaism; I've heard that you can't convert after the Messiah comes.

http://www.convertingtojudaism.com/?wcw=google

[greenmachine]

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Because theirs is the ONLY religon on the face of the earth

that has at least a small number of people

that DILIGENTLY try to practice the religon

the way that G-D commanded them to,

without adding anything to it,

or subtracting anything from it.


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[Slimland]

Originally Posted by greenmachine

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Hi Slimland, I've had trouble getting back to my computer, to respond to your last post, sorry about that.

Below, are the points that I guess I didn't make clear enough, sorry.

Number 2. isn't really a point that I made, but I was wondering what you thought about those scriptures.

1. We should examine their side of the story, considering they're refered to throughout the Old Testament as G-D's chosen people; who knows, they still may be. Then consider the the eternal ramifications, if we're wrong.
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2. What do you make of each of the scriptures that the Jews used?
#1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6
Do you think that these were All refering to Gentiles?
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3. Why did Jesus/God restore the Jewish people who crucified and still deny him, even today, with some kind of protection _ from satan ??
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4. Prophecy in Deut.30:1-5 Makes no mention of any problems between the Jews and G-D

After returning to G-D, and keeping his Commandments , G-D was pleased with them, and began blessing them again, according to the Prophecy.
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5. On Solving the Riddle.
I personally, just try to prayerfully examine ALL of the information and forget about which religon and denomination of Christianity I landed in when I was born, and simply look for the Truth, as objectivly as possible, in order that I make no mistakes, G-D willing __ What do you think ??


Also the subject of the New Covenant, I'm still working on.





Give me some time I have got some things going on, I thought I would step in a let you know I have read this, I'll get back with ya when I have a little more time, when it rains it pours.


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b1- Yes, they still are God's chosen people, This is spoke of heavly is Romans. But on a side note "through there unbelief we have a chance to believe" ( Now if where wrong-- Then that would mean that Jesus Christ is not the messiah, and we would still be dead in our sins). Bu we know that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, so this is not a problem.

2-- The scripture's, I tell you when it comes to scriptures, becarful of what anyone says INCLUDING ME, Read it for yourself, but also remember to read ahead and befor to get the whole context. Also when it referse to destruction of Gentiles, Remember through Christ we are Jews, For a Jew is not outwardly but what is inwardly, this also is in Romans.


b3-- This goes back to the earlier post, The New Covenant because man cannot live up to the Old Covenant, This also is in Romans and Hebrews, and Galation, and Ephisisans.


b4-- Read on vrs 17-24, This is what happens if they don't.

b4 u- Yes when they returned He blesses them, I don't understand this Question.

b5-- Religion is worth NOTHING, Being a child of God is EVERYTHING. Notice a CHILD, For those who believe He "Jesus Christ" is God, They have become the sons of God, This is in Hebrews. So yes, just love your God your father, with all your heart, and love your neibor as your self.

This is the New Covenant. it is the Covenant of Love.


Does that help?

[greenmachine]

Even today, you can look up Controversies on internet about Paul's Truthfulness, such as:

Rom. 3:7
3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?


Here are MORE people refering to the same thing.

http://www.ask.com/web?q=Apostle+Paul+Liar&qsrc=1&o=0


Can you verify the same teaching with another, less controversial apostle,
preferably one taught by Jesus in the flesh?

[Slimland]

Originally Posted by greenmachine

Even today, you can look up Controversies on internet about Paul's Truthfulness, such as:

Rom. 3:7
3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

Rom. 3:7
3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?


Here are MORE people refering to the same thing.

http://www.ask.com/web?q=Apostle+Paul+Liar&qsrc=1&o=0


Can you verify the same teaching with another, less controversial apostle,
preferably one taught by Jesus in the flesh?

You just took that out of context, That is isxactly what I was refering too.

Paul said
Rom. 3:7
3:7 For IF the truth of God hath more abounded [u]through my lie [/u]unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?


Because the Law "the 10 Commandments placed everyone under the knowledge of sin" "Therfor Ther is none righteouse no not one".

If you want a diffrent Apostle read 1st John, He was the youngest of the disciples. Why would you want a diffrent Apostle anyway, Paul wrote most of the New Testament, Peter upholdes what he says, etc.
To dingle out the Word of God because you don't think someones writing is valid, would not do you justice. That is what the church did, look where that led us. More people flee from God, because the church has screwed up his message.

The above passage, have you read the whole context?
Did you get this question from man?
Paul explains himself, befor and after this comment, read it for yourself, ask God to help you understand it. DO NOT TAKE MANS WORD.

For if the Truth of God, Abounded through my lie, Why then am I still judged a sinner?
Because it is still a lie, therfor it is against the law and nature of God.
Just because it had the same out come, does not mean the motive was the same.

Gotta go.
I'll be back later.

[greenmachine]

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I think there's really nothing for non-Jews to worry about,
except keeping the Seven Commandments.

But they should also remember that G-D told Abraham:
He would bless those that bless the Jews.
He would curse those that curse the Jews.
In Abraham, would all families of the earth be blessed. Gen. 12:3


The 613 Commandments were given specifically to the Jews to keep
and to anyone from the Gentile nations who decided to convert.

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[Slimland]

Originally Posted by greenmachine

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But they should also remember that G-D told Abraham:
He would bless those that bless the Jews.
He would curse those that curse the Jews.
In Abraham, would all families of the earth be blessed. Gen. 12:3


The 613 Commandments were given specifically to the Jews to keep
and to anyone from the Gentile nations who decided to convert.

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I think there's really nothing for non-Jews to worry about,
except keeping the Seven Commandments.

What are these commandments, I know of only 2, Love thy God thy Father with all your Heart. and Love thy neibor as Thy self.

These 2 commandments are the only one's Jesus Gaves us, they are the New Covenant.

The 613 Commandments were given specifically to the Jews to keep
and to anyone from the Gentile nations who decided to convert.

Any one who tryes to live by the Law is cursed, for No one can live up to the Law. Thats why Jesus fulfilled the Law.


Im not sure what you are saying in your Post, can you explain this and the others. What are you trying to say?

[Slimland]

Greenmachin read the above carfuly, I have a habit of screwing up the quote's.

[greenmachine]

I'm sorry I've had trouble getting back to my computer, and also computer problems; but here is information of the Laws of Noah below:

The Seven Noahide Laws

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Part 1

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The following are the seven commandments, comprising six negative precepts and one positive. There is much more that remains as explanation and commentary, but this article will limit itself to a few insights after presenting the list itself.


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Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One G-d alone and worship only Him.

Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden. Human beings are not sexual objects, nor is pleasure the ultimate goal of life.

Murder is forbidden. The life of a human being, formed in G-d's image, is sacred.

Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden. Besides honoring and respecting G-d, we learn from this precept that our speech must be sanctified, as that is the distinctive sign which separated man from the animals.

Theft is forbidden. The world is not ours to do with as we please.

Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden. This teaches us to be sensitive to cruelty to animals. (This was commanded to Noah for the first time along with the permission of eating meat. The rest were already given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.)

Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.


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"These seven laws are implicit in God's commandment to Adam and Eve in Gen. 2:16-17, "And the Lord God commanded the man saying 'From all the trees of the garden you may freely eat'."

In the Talmud, Rabbi Yochanan explains:

The word "commanded" (VaYetzav) is a reference to laws of justice for it says in Gen. 18:19, "For I have known him so he will COMMAND (Yitzaveh) his children after him to keep the way of the Lord and righteousness and justice."
"And the Lord" (HaShem) implies the prohibition of blasphemy. As it says in Lev. 24:16, "He who blasphemes the name of THE LORD (Hashem) shall die."
"God" (Elokim) is a reference to idolatry for it says in Ex. 20:3 "You shall have no other Elokim before me".
"The Man" (Ha Adam) is the prohibition of murder. God explicitly commands Noah (Gen. 9:6), "If one sheds the blood of THE MAN (Ha Adam), by man shall his own blood be shed."
"Saying" (Laymor) refers to sexual misconduct or adultery, as the prophet Jeremiah (3:1) says, "Saying (laymor), if a man divorces his wife..."
"From all the trees of the Garden" is an implicit prohibition of theft. It shows that permission is needed to take something that is not explicitly yours.
Likewise, "you may eat" implies that there are things which may not be eaten (the limbs of a live animal).

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THE SEVEN LAWS OF NOAH BROKEN DOWN INTO DETAILS
Part 2

THEFT
against stealing
against committing robbery
against shifting a landmark
against cheating
against repudiating a claim of money owed
against overcharging
against coveting
against desiring
a laborer shall be allowed to eat of the fruits among which he works (under certain conditions)
against a laborer eating of such fruit (when certain conditions are not met)
against a laborer taking of such fruit home
against kidnapping
against the use of false weights and measures
against the possession of false weights and measures
that one shall be exact in the use of weights and measures
that the robber shall return (or pay for) the stolen object

JUSTICE
to appoint judges and officers in each and every community
to treat the litigants equally before the law
to inquire diligently into the testimony of a witness
against the wanton miscarriage of justice by the court
against the judge accepting a bribe or gift from a litigant
against the judge showing marks of honor to but one litigant
against the judge acting in fear of a litigant's threats
against the judge, out of compassion, favoring a poor litigant
against the judge discriminating against the litigant because he is a sinner
against the judge, out of softness, putting aside the penalty of a mauler or killer
against the judge discriminating against a stranger or an orphan
against the judge hearing one litigant in the absence of the other
against appointing a judge who lacks knowledge of the Law
against the court killing an innocent man
against incrimination by circumstantial evidence
against punishing for a crime committed under duress
that the court is to administer the death penalty by the sword
against anyone taking the law into his own hands to kill the perpetrator of a capital crime
to testify in court
against testifying falsely
* This point is disagreed upon by different writers: "The Noahites are not restricted in this way but may judge singly and at once."


HOMICIDE
against anyone murdering anyone

ILLICIT INTERCOURSE
against (a man) having union with his mother
against (a man) having union with his sister
against (a man) having union with the wife of his father
against (a man) having union with another man's wife
against (a man) copulating with a beast
against a woman copulating with a beast
against (a man) lying carnally with a male
against (a man) lying carnally with his father
against (a man) lying carnally with his father's brother
against engaging in erotic conduct that may lead to a prohibited union

LIMB OF A LIVING CREATURE
against eating a limb severed from a living animal, beast, or fowl
against eating the flesh of any animal which was torn by a wild beast ... which, in part, prohibits the eating of such flesh as was torn off an animal while it was still alive

IDOLATRY
against entertaining the thought that there exists a deity except the Lord
against making any graven image (and against having anyone else make one for us)
against making idols for use by others
against making any forbidden statues (even when they are for ornamental purposes)
against bowing to any idol (and not to sacrifice nor to pour libation nor to burn incense before any idol, even where it is not the customary manner of worship to the particular idol)
against worshipping idols in any of their customary manners of worship
against causing our children to pass (through the fire) in the worship of Molech.
against practicing Ov
against the practice of Yiddoni
against turning to idolatry (in word, in thought, in deed, or by any observance that may draw us to its worship)

BLASPHEMY
to acknowledge the presence of God
to fear God
to pray to Him
to sanctify God's name (in face of death, where appropriate)
against desecrating God's name (even in face of death, when appropriate)
to study the Torah
to honor the scholars, and to revere one's teacher
against blaspheming


More Information can be found at the following sites Below:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Seven Noahide Laws

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/noahide.html
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Articles Concerning
The Seven Laws of Noah
and Related Concepts http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7laws.html-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jews and Hasidic Gentiles?United to Save America
This site has the seven subdivided into more details of each law.http://www.noahide.com/index.htm-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Slimland]

So your saying that we should live like a Jew and live acording to the Mosaic Law, or the Law of Noah wich to me looks about the same.