He probably had a choice-Retire or we're going to fire you

And OSU could back into the National Championship game. Their regular season is over but, OU and Oregon lost, that is 2 spots they have gained. West VA still has UConn and Pitt after escaping Cincy last night. Mizzou and Kansas play next week with the loser out of the Title hunt and the winner still having to face either Texas or OU in the Big 12 title game. LSU also has a resurgent Arkansas next then the SEC title game.

Yeah, it's getting stranger by the week. :shock:

Holy Mackeral! :shock:
Arkansas beat, LSU. :shock: Dang, I wished I could have seen that game. I forgot that they played today.

Another #1 bites the dust

:lol:

No kiddin..

And where it stops is anybodies guess

I got a feeling WVU could go down today. If that happens, puts OSU as #2 behind either Kansas or Mizzou. The big question could be if OU knocks off the winner of today's matchup with Kansas and Mizzou next week. Who's #2?? Depends on how far LSU falls or if Georgia gets by Georgia Tech. Wouldn't that be something, Georgia gets to play for a title without being SEC Champs(pending Tennessee-Kentucky game today) or even Va Tech can leapfrog Georgia. Gawd what a mess. :lol:

It is a big mess. No tellin what's gonna happen.

next one up-Kansas

Yeah, that will be a good one. Kansas vs. Mizzou.

Florida, and Florida State are playing. That should be good. :lol:


OU is taking care of OK State..

That 66 to 21 victory for WVU over UConn sure looked nice. I wish I was 10-15yrs younger, I'd be heading to Morgantown, which is only about 1/2hr from me. Gonna be a party there tonight.

I just hope they don't screw up next week when they play Pitt.

Yeah, that feeling was way off. I really thought UConn's D was a little better than that, they got shredded for 624 yards.

What a game Mizzou and WV could put out if they play one another. Break out the oxygen masks.

:D You got it, Jackrabbit! Them Hogs did good. I'm proud of those kids as they played the best game I can remember! 8)

Yeah, my parents went to Ft. Smith for the weekend. (we had Thanksgiving here on Thursday, they left Friday morning) I couldnt go..some people have to work for a living. :P I stayed, mainly due to weather. I didnt want to get stuck somewhere, and try to explain why I couldnt work Sunday night. :lol:
We do have quite a bit of snow around the area. :shock:


Yeah, my dad called me, Friday night. He asked me what I thought of the game. I was like, huh? :shock: What game? I couldnt believe that I missed it. I thought they were scheduled to play on Saturday. :evil: Dad told me that the Hogs never gave up, and they played their hearts out.

Well, the new rankings are out. Man, they suck. :P

Could yall see Mizzou, and West Virginia play for the National Title? That should be a yawner. :P :lol:

I have no interest in seeing that matchup at all,I am being a little hypocritical when I say that because I don't want to see the same teams every year,but Mizzou and WV........

For selfish reasons I would like to see OU knock off Mizzou and that would send Ohio State to the Championship game and thereby getting Michigan State a better bowl game 8)

Ohio State doesn't deserve to play for the title. If they do, they'll get blown out.

Again. :roll:

But what else is new? The BCS is a Big 10 brainchild. :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Missouri and West Virginia win next week, they'll play for the title and that should be an incredible, high-scoring game. I'll watch that one, no doubt. If Ohio State skates into the title game unearned, I'll pass this year. Getting beat 52-3 would be a serious yawner.

Again, the BCS is a total cluster-****. I believe it goes through '09 and then we'll finally see a playoff based off of some form of the BCS ranking system. Too many coaches and universities are ticked off at the pathetic system, to endorse it any more.

TF I'd like you to think about something for a minute. We can switch to a playoff system if you like but it wont change anything in the big picture. By that I mean if there was a playoff for the last 100 years the total number of championships and victories for the top 10 or 20 schools in history would be roughly the same. Only the year in which they won would be different. For example a 2 loss Oklahoma (or any major player) would get hot in the playoffs and win it all in a given year and an undefeated Oklahoma would get eliminated early. But over the course of time the big schools would still dominate. As an Ohio State fan I could care less what system you go with because I know we'll be there every year. You can hate on OSU all you want but fact is they were a major underdog when they beat Miami. The only thing that matters is what system you use and how that team plays on that day. Miami was still a great team even though they lost. The only difference it would make is a school like Hawaii would get their chance but odds are the cinderellas would get eliminated 90% of the time. The glory, awards, championships, blue chip prospects, future NFL starts etc. will still be dominated by the OSU's, Michigan's, Penn State's, Notre Dame's, Oklahoma's, Texas's, Nebraska's, SoCal's, Alabama's of college football. I didn't intentionally omit any school just trying to make a point. I can remember many 1 loss OSU teams that didnt get a shot but could play with any team in the country and I'm sure the other powerhouse teams feel the same way. So go ahead and change it if you want but we'll still be there every year and bottom feeders will still be bottom feeders. I'd love a shot at this years game but I'll take a Rose Bowl victory and 12-1 record any year. If we get in fine if we dont oh well, I know we'll be back and soon. BTW when Tressel coached at Youngstown State Div 1-AA there was a playoff system and from 1991-1999 they went to 6 title games winning 4. So whichever way you like it thats fine with me, we're not going away. My point is playoffs are just another measuring stick so to speak. And if a 1 loss Ohio State team isnt deserving then who? LSU? Georgia? USC? Obviously there all great teams but beatable. The system is what it is. Just tell us what the rules are before we snap the ball and we'll play by them right? Just my way of looking at it.

Yeah, my wife is from Georgia, and her family is hoping that both, Mizzou, and West Virginia lose this week. I wondered about that, and then I looked. If those 2 teams lose, that would move up Ohio State, and Georgia..
That might be interesting for the National Title.

I agree with the playoffs. The small schools do it, why not the big boys?

Well, Midnight Flyer, Coach Nuttcase is gone. I just read it on espn website.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3128404

I don't follow Arkansas football but WOW
Got a hunch Midnight isn't disappointed with that though :D

:D I dunno, guys. I've got mixed feelings about this. Coach Nutt is one helluva motivator and a super nice person and popular with the players. But he ran off a superb offensive coordinator (Gus Malzahn) and the #1 ranked high school quarterback in the country (Mitch Mustain) because he (Nutt) couldn't stand it that Malzahn was getting all the credit and praise when the Hogs were kicking everyone's butt last year. Nutt has an ego problem and would NEVER admit it when he screwed up. Nutt promised a national championship for the Razorback football program when he took over as head coach TEN YEARS AGO! Well we got as close as #5 in the polls last year. Close but no cigar. So I guess we'll have to start anew with another coach and staff and suffer those dreaded rebuilding years. :cry:

Actually, Snowman, I LIKE Ohio State. Believe it or not, they are one of my favorite teams. Born in Dayton, OH, so they are one of my favorites.

That said, however, my beef is with the BCS system and the Big 10 *$&#heads who ruin it...er, run it. Ohio State is in a weak conference. The Big 10 is nothing like the meatgrinders of the SEC or the Big 12. Everyone of them scarfs down 4 cream puffs just as fast as they can, in order to get to the 6 wins for being bowl eligible. The fact that the Big 10 has 9 or 10 eligible teams is a laugh. Anyone with an opinion can see that. Was listening to a top 10 list a week ago...don't remember where. The guy was saying "Alright, the game is over (referring to the Ohio State/Michigan game). Now can we all agree that the Big 10 absolutely sucks?" This was some ESPN guy, I think.

Bottom line, the Big 10 sucks and if Ohio State skates into the title game, having not played anyone of note (other than Illinois, who beat them at home), they are going to get mauled by whoever they play, be it WV (that would be an absolutely ugly game), Mizzou, or Georgia. As I said, I like Ohio State, but I'm not sold on them at all this year.

As far as how to do it, there's a hundred different doable scenarios out there. The best I've seen has an 8-team format that is based on the top 8 teams in a BCS type ranking. The first round are played standard bowl games in early to mid-december. The 2 semi-final games are BCS games, rotatable through the BCS like the title game is. And the title game is played on the off-week between the NFC/AFC Championships and the Super Bowl. It would guarantee top-dollar for the schools, guarantee maximum fan interest, and falling right between the championships and the Super Bowl, advertising would be at a premium.

Another good way to do it is a 10-game playoff, using conference champions to fill the bracket and 2 at-large bids for teams like Hawaii or Boise State or a powerful independent. For that to happen, though, the Big 10 would have to go to a split division and a playoff like everyone else. Try getting the Big 10 crap-heads to OK that. :roll: :roll:

At the most, teams would have to drop 1 cream-puff game and it would guarantee you that the more deserving schools make the other bowl games.

Anyway, in the overall scheme of things, it would give teams like Boise State (a couple years ago when they beat Oklahoma and were undefeated) and Hawaii a shot at a National Title, to name a few. Hawaii is undefeated...they are a division I school. They should have every right to play for a national championship. And what about Kansas? They have 1 loss...lost to Mizzou. Why should that one loss rule them out while 4 or 5 other one-loss team are still in the hunt. LSU? Hands down, one of the best teams in the land...both losses coming in 3 OTs.

All in all, the BCS is under the most fire it has ever been in. As each year goes by, these smaller schools like Boise State and Hawaii will only be joined by other smaller schools doing the same thing. Giving them a deserved-shot at a national title will increase their ability to recruit and bring more excitement to college football. In the direction it's going right now, college football is losing fans and interest. Everyone knows something needs to be done. The BCS runs through it's contract in '09. At that point, we'll see some type of playoff. The long-term survival of college football depends on some type of major change happening.

Guess that means McFadden is definitely going pro next year??

I really want to see WV and Mizzou play for the title, high power offenses both ways. Georgia does not belong, they did not win the SEC. Why should they deserve to be in?? OSU deserves, WV deserves, Mizzou if they win the Big 12, LSU if they win the SEC and VT if they win the ACC. Should be a rule that you must be a conference champ in order to play for the National Title.

I agree on the many ways to do it I'm just saying it'll still be the same schools in the hunt year after year. I disagree about the Big 10. I'm not saying they're the best just that at the top of any major conference those schools have the most resources, best recruiting and best coaching so you better come ready to play. I don't care if its the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 or Big 10. These conferences and top teams are stacked. Period. Yeah last year we got blown out by Fla, not fun, but Penn State beat Tennessee and Wisconsin beat Arkansas. Our schedule was down this year but its not always like that. We just got done with home and away with Texas and I believe I heard something about doind that with USC. These schedules are made years in advance. We played Washington this year, who knew what kind of team they would have when it was planned? All these games against Ohio schools are because we wouldnt play them in the past. The people of Ohio wanted it so we started playing BGSU, Toledo, Cincy, Akron, Kent etc. They wanted our gate money and a shot at us as though they were entitled. I dont think we shy away from competion any more than anyone else with championship hopes does. If you think about it what contender wants to put Ohio State on their schedule? If we had a playoff then games such as OSU/Mich, Texas/Ok, Fla/Fla St, etc would lose alot of meaning. If we lose to Mich we still make the playoffs. Those lay it all on the line games are awesome. Playoffs are just another measuring stick, different from what we have, but better? I enjoy the traditions and realize you can have a great year without being a mythical NC. I also understand that in order to have a rivalry both teams have to be good so that means Mich will win sometimes. But when that game is for all the marbles there's nothing better. Remember last year when we were 1 and 2? Or how bout this year with Kan/Mizzou? Do or die, thats great drama. It wouldnt be the same if there was still life after a loss. Be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, but without a playoff system, teams like Boise State, Hawaii, etc., have no chance at winning a National Title. A couple years ago when Boise State went undefeated and beat Oklahoma, there is no doubt they could have beaten anybody and should have been the National Champion. Having a playoff system gives these smaller schools a shot and a well-deserved one at that. That's the problem with the BCS...it's always the same old schools and the fan-base is tired of it. It's stale and overused and without a change, it'll eventually die.

:D Amen to that, TF. And the sooner it dies the better! 8)

He should. Both, him, and Felix Jones will probably go pro.

With all respect Mr. Ford, I disagree. Yeah, you are right, UGA didnt win the SEC East. Tennessee did. Reason is, Tennessee beat Georgia. (for some unknown reason)
If Kentucky would have beaten Tennessee, then Georgia would have won the SEC East, because Georgia beat Kentucky.
Tennessee has 3 losses. Georgia has lost 2 games. (Tennessee, and Vandy)

Yeah, Arkansas can be a National Champianship football team. Just have to put all the pieces together.
They have the qb brothers. Casey, and Nathan Dick. Both are great quarterbacks. They also have good talent in their defense, and offense as well. Good speed, and quickness all around.

I liked Coach Nutt, and his leadership, but I feel like he didnt utilize his passing game, when their running game was stopped.

Arkansas also needs a good defensive coach.

:D It's rumored that Arkansas will play Georgia in the Cotton Bowl. If that happens I don't know who I'll root for because I love both the Hogs and Dawgs! 8)

Oh dang! I wouldnt know who to root for, either.
My wife is from Georgia, and my mom's family lives in Arkansas. You know how folks in Arkansas love their Razorbacks. Same way with my wife. She loves her Dawgs.
I'm in the middle. :P

You might be right, Midnight Flyer. I'm sure Tennessee will play in the Peach Bowl, since they won the SEC. They should play whoever won the ACC.

Hey Midnight Flyer, here is some more interesting news.

This is crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3129559

:D Everyone here suspects this was in the works for several weeks. Not a real big surprise. 8)

You had to say it didn't ya.......

Well - it happens every time WV gets to a point where it's a make or break situation, they choke. It never fails.

Well you can take it from a Michigan State fan,I know exactly what you mean......

Well, Pitt beat West Virginia. Is that an upset? :P
OU is taking care of Mizzou. OU is 9th, and of course, Mizzou is 1. Pretty sad when the #1 team is the underdog. :lol: Tells ya how tough Mizzou is. :P

They said that since West Virginia got beat, and Mizzou loses, Ohio State, and LSU may play for the title. How nice. :roll:

Well, half of my family is from Arkansas, so I hate LSU. Bunch of inbred heathens. Screw LSU, and the horse they rode in on. All I can say is,...LSU better not be ranked higher than Georgia. Just because LSU won the SEC doesnt mean that they are good for anything. Screw em. They couldnt beat Georgia on a good day. Screw those inbred cajuns.

I say win your confrence then you can talk all the smack you wanna