Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Personally.... I would be MORE interested in the answers given by the 20 DOT officers than I would the "experiences" of the drivers who have never been questioned, however.....
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Unfortunately, what many DOT officers "say" and what they "do" are two completely different things. The same applies to drivers.
True but, I'd still rather hear what THEY have to say about it.
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BEFORE I was enlightened as to the guidance concerning logging a restart in a way that reflected your activities, I used to log all 34 straight in the sleeper. That was how I was shown to do it.
During my first, and only, roadside credentials inspection, the DOT officer noticed the way I logged my "restart," and asked me point blank, "Do you ALWAYS spend (or log) your entire restart in the sleeper?"
Being a rookie, I said, "Well... yeah.... um.... that's the way I was told to do it."
He didn't ticket me for it, NOR mention it on the inspection report. However.... I got the point of his question. I'm pretty sure HE didn't "believe" I spent the whole time in the sleeper!
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The reason he didn't hand you a ticket is because he had no way to prove that you didn't spend the entire 34 in the sleeper. You did, however, get his point, which was to log it as you do it, which is what I advocated from the beginning. What Dawn doesn't take into account is that it is absolutely possible to spend 34 straight hours in the sleeper, in which case, it needs to be logged as such. Running out to take a 5 minute bathroom break doesn't require a duty status change from line 2 to line 1. I wonder how DOT would react to seeing "peeing" on the comment line if you flagged it, though. :lol:
:lol: Why bother flaggin it? Just hang it out the window and water the parking lot. Then, you don't even have to show getting out of the truck! :wink:
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The Rev mentioned that he had logged the same in the same way several times. However... he didn't mention whether those logsheets were inspected by a DOT officer.
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Yes.
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I find nothing wrong with the information and advice that Dawn has given concerning this topic. She acurately quoted the "guidance" that says it should be logged in a way that reflects your actions. Now.... I'm not going to log line 1 EVERY time I get out of the truck! If I spend 34 hours at a truckstop, I will log the majority of daylight hours on line 1, and AT LEAST 8 hours during the night on line 2 using CONSECUTIVE time blocks.
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Look at what she said again, and my reply to it, and perhaps you will understand. Absolute answers, such as the one she gave, don't fit every situation, and therefore are wrong. I doubt I am the only CDL holder who is capable of spending 34 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth without getting out of the truck.
I agree about the absolute answers [like "these are the facts." :wink: ] I have addressed that many times while discussing the HOS. However, it IS difficult to show EVERY exception, just as the REGS themselves do, without it getting rather confusing. And personally, there's no way "I" would spend all 34 hrs in the truck!
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This bickering is getting OLD.
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Then stop clicking on the threads. :roll:
Gotta show up to make sure some of y'all don't give out the wrong info! :lol:
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I was told that, in this case, it would be WISE to have a motel receipt. It has been well documented that, IF you end up in an accident that kills someone, (and I'm not a doomsayer type!) YOU will not be able to prove that you got ANY sleep, and a good lawyer may have you paying for the rest of your life.
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Please explain, golfhobo, how a motel receipt proves you obtained sleep. I've found it more difficult to get sleep in a hotel room than my truck (you know, the crappy mattresses and the cable TV and all). A motel receipt provides no more proof than a log book page.
I agree that it is not absolute proof.... nothing except 24 hr video surveillance WOULD be. But, my understanding is that it at least shows the INTENT to get sleep. As you say, even logging 34 in the sleeper doesn't PROVE you got any sleep. But, logging 34 on line 1, without providing a motel receipt, has been used to show that the driver MAY HAVE spent ALL his time out of the truck, in a T/S or bar or casino. (This only applies, of course, to being away from home or terminal.)
When you are at home, and log a restart on line 1, there is no PROOF that you got any sleep, but the fact that you have a bedroom at home, shows INTENT.... just as a motel receipt would IF you logged all 34 on line 1 while away from home.
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