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Lighten up, Rev. For someone who likes to dish it out, you sure can't take it. Now, back to the subject. Since, if you're right.... Uturn has given someone the wrong info on another thread. According to "my interpretation" of what you said (which, if it was wrong, is the reason I asked for you to enlighten me)...... If on day one of 8, (midnight to midnight operation) a driver starts driving at 6 a.m. and works 12 hours, then at midnight of day 8, he would have to wait until 6 a.m. to start driving again. I don't believe this is the case, and I respectfully request that you cite ANY regulation OR guidance that suggests you are right. I'm not sure there even IS a reg that explains it, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere. And I KNOW that I was taught in school AND by my trainer, that you DO, in fact, get the whole "chunk" of your 1st day hours back at the BEGINNING of your 9th day. For most of us, that would be at midnight. (Of course, the 14 hour rule would still apply.) |
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The 60 and 70 hour rule is a completely different story. A true "midnight to midnight" operation would run out of hours in 5 days, forcing a 34 hour reset to continue operating. And even then, you wouldn't gain your 70 hours back at midnight - you'd gain them back when the 34 hour reset is complete. And even then, the 60/70 rule doesn't have to begin or end at midnight. It can begin or end at any time of the day: Quote:
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There is no requirement, and no one but you thinks there is, that a person work 14 hours a day and takes 10 off to be considered on a 24 hour midnight to midnight operation. It DOES in fact, refer ONLY to his RODS. If your RODS are kept on a midnight to midnight basis, you most certainly DO regain the "chunk" of hours used during that same cycle 8 days back - AT MIDNIGHT. The fact that he is still on his 10 hour break is immaterial except that it means he cannot drive (as you say and so did I) until he has had the required break. But, he got his hours BACK at midnight. And they are the total number of hours driven between midnight and midnight on the 8th day back. Let's say on that 1st day, he started at 6 p.m. and drove until 5 a.m. on the next day. At midnight on the 8th day, he would get back the 6 hours (only) that he drove prior to midnight the first day. By NOW.... he may be on a different schedule and completes his 10 hour break at midnight. He IMMEDIATELY gets those 6 hours back (subject to the 11/14 hour rule.) He does NOT have to wait or even GET to wait until sometime in the morning (or 6 p.m.) and then get all 11 hours back. Obviously, if he hasn't completed his 10 hour break at midnight on the 8th day, he cannot DRIVE until he has. But, he got his 6 hours ONLY back at midnight. They are now available to use as soon as he is legal to drive again. Quote:
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It is quite possible that you misunderstood a point or two in the discussion. I KNOW you know your stuff, which is why I was in such disbelief when you posted what you did. I hope somehow or another, I have clarified my and others' position for you. No one said anything about getting your 70 back at midnight in conjunction with a 34 hour reset. If YOUR company works/logs on a midnight to midnight basis - as the daily grid is set up for - you get back the hours worked for THAT log sheet at midnight 8 days later. If you work on a 9 to 9 basis or something like that, you would get the hours worked during THAT 1st 24 hour period back at THAT respective time on day 9. Are we ALL on the same page now? |
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Dang your quick..... I JUST hit the submit button! :lol: |
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Still waiting for your response HERE |
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After a 34 hour reset, your 70 hours are totally gained back. The exact time a "log day" (for want of a better term) starts at what ever time your carrier has its log books set up at. A driver may gain some hours back using the "old" method of waiting for the 9th previous day to drop off. If the company uses a midnight to midnight log book then those hours come back at midnight. If they use a noon to noon log book then those hours come back at noon and so forth. Now just because a driver has hours gained back does not mean they can immediately start running again. They still must be in compliance with the 11 and 14 hour rules. The 34 hour restart is not a requirement per the FMCSA. Also under the latest rules, you can be over your 70 and in violation and still gain your 70 back after the 34 hours. When the first revision came out you could not do this if you were in violation. Just because a driver is over his 70 does not mean a violation has occured. Same with being over on the 14. All the 14 and 70 hours rules state is that a person can not drive upon reaching those limits, the driver may continue to work. |
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