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05-20-2009, 02:09 AM
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My guess would be is that most companies don't retain them beyond what is required by law. Larger carriers scan paper logs into a database, then they shuck the paper. How they periodically expunge the database I am not sure.
You might try gently asking how long your company keeps daily logs.:lol:
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No need to be gentle, they know the deal. They don't want me calling up to have my delivery time moved back anymore than I want to be calling- though, they never said that and you can't prove it- a little Bart Simpson thinking going on there.
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I don't think they can go back 10 years for an audit. I don't think the IRS can go back more than 7 years when they do an audit. I can't imagine any agency being able to go back further than the IRS. It doesn't sound right to me.
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05-20-2009, 02:45 PM
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I don't think they can go back 10 years for an audit. I don't think the IRS can go back more than 7 years when they do an audit. I can't imagine any agency being able to go back further than the IRS. It doesn't sound right to me.
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In cases of proven fraud there is no limitation.
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05-20-2009, 07:33 PM
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If the paperwork is available, and they have the time to go through it, they will . I keep only my last 8 days on me, the rest get stuffed away far far away.
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They went back 10 years and only found 25 fraudulant logs? He sure wasnt a supertrucker.
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They went back 10 years and only found 25 fraudulant logs? He sure wasnt a supertrucker.
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Ha, they would be lucky to find 25 accurate logs on me... :deal::zzz:
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In cases of proven fraud there is no limitation.
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I am not sure how you would prove fraud without the documents. I don't think the government can prosecute anyone for criminal activity after 7 years with current statute of limitations laws other than murder.
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I am not sure how you would prove fraud without the documents. I don't think the government can prosecute anyone for criminal activity after 7 years with current statute of limitations laws other than murder.
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Statute of limitations does not apply to the IRS for a false or fraudulent tax return with the intent to evade any tax.
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I won't be happy if I end up staring at the ceiling of my sleeper until my watch says I can go.
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10 years? Who would keep 10 years worth of logs around? Carriers are only required to keep them 6 months.
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No, carriers may only be cited under the safety regulations for six months. Logs must be kept per Part 379:
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Appendix A to Part 379—Schedule of records and periods of retention
K. SUPPORTING DATA FOR REPORTS AND STATISTICS
2. Supporting data for periodical reports of accidents, inspections, tests, hours of service, repairs, etc. 3 years.
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Part 379: Preservation of records
Be safe.
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