I was only trying to break the ice and make some people laugh. :P

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

See what I mean? :lol:

 

I don't think anyone understands the new regulations from the old ones. I know a lot of drivers who were under the old regs don't even get the new regs one bit. Hey Hobo check your pm's, your a tough person to get a hold of but I finally found your hang out. :lol:

 

I'm going to start driving 10 and sleeping 8, and if anyone doesn't like it they can KMA.


And I'm keeping the 34 hour reset. :P

 

All I know is it's 11 hours driving in a 14 hour period with a 10 hour break as well as a 34 hour restart after 70 hours.

 

I LIKE it, Rev! I REALLY LIKE it!! :lol:

[Cuz I sho don't like the alternative!] :shock:

 

Under the old rule from 2003 the driver would have been required to take a two hour SB period following the 8 hour SB. 10 hours off-duty would not have reset the 11/14 hour clock.

In 2005 the mandatory second SB time from the 2003 rule was removed and replaced with “off-duty or SB.”

Be safe.

 

Okay, I don't know if it is worth it, but I'll try.... and I will remain calm and professional.

First, I'll leave this quote in for reference, but the point is that the original contention was whether or not under CURRENT rules, the Rev's statement about a violation was true. I assumed you (Myth_Buster) would confirm that under the CURRENT rules instead of trying to validate his position under the old rules. But, no matter.

I redlettered the part that was wrong in that statement. Under the OLD rules, taking an 8 hour "orphaned" S/B break would be on the clock and cause a violation in most cases. [But, I'm still not giving you extra credit for believing Trooper Dial instead of READING the current regs.] :P

M/B said:

Using the link you provided, to the 2003 rules without the changes or updates, there is no mention OF an 8 hour S/B break... only 2 breaks of no less than 2 hours each. (The 5/5 option.) However, we can assume that our driver CHOSE to take an 8 and 2 split (although, 5 in the sleeper would have the same result.) Given that, your statement is true to the extent that the second break was MANDATORY for the purpose of making the first break "off the clock." Without a second break IN THE SLEEPER, the first break would remain on the clock and be calculated into the 14 hour limit. This was changed under the 2005 rule to MANDATE one of the breaks be 8 hours or more, and because that meets the medical evidence and recommendation for restorative sleep, it is now ALWAYS off the clock.

So, in the past, if a driver came on duty and drove 6 broke for 5 in the sleeper and drove for 5 more, he would be up to the 16th hour. IF at this time he went off duty (line 1) instead of the sleeper, the 5 hour sleeper break would NOT be excluded from the 14 hour clock, and he would have been in violation for the last 2 hours of driving. However....

The regs (old and new) say otherwise. Granted, he would STILL have the 14 hour violation.... but once the full 10 hour break off duty has ocurred, the clocks would be reset.

This is pretty much the same wording as in the new rules, and is what I call "breaking the split." Regardless of whether both sleeper berth breaks were taken (and if not, under the old rules there probably WOULD be a violation incurred,) a full 10 hour break always resets the clocks, and returns the driver to normal driving conditions under 395.3.

The difference is that under the new rules, an 8 hour S/B break is always off the clock.... always excluded from the 14 hour calculation. So if our driver drove 6, broke for 8 in the sleeper, and drove for 5 before taking a full 10 hour break, he would only have the 11 hours against his 14, so no violation before "returning to driving subject to normal limits."

This is true provided it is the smaller break, i.e: the other one was the 8 hours IN THE SLEEPER. And there is no requirement that it be the "second" of the two breaks.

I wish I'd had that link to the unadulterated 2003 rules along time ago. I could have ended this particular debate months ago. :wink:


Now.... what about Sam freezing his butt off in Montana?? :lol:

 

Check your other thread to be dazzled at how wrong you really are.... :lol:

 

RebelDarlin,

Shouldn't the last line on the sign in your avatar be "Hangers On"?