[JewelsnTools]

HB,
You make that sound so...dirty. Like it's a bad thing! :lol:

[ihatefordtrucks]

It's very simple, just like the first guy said. You have a 14 hour window, in which you may drive a total of 11 hours. If you start your day at 6 AM, you must not drive the truck after 8 PM that day, and may not resume driving until 10 hours later (6 AM the next day)... and during that 14 hours, you may drive, at the very most, 11 hours. The other three hours can be spent however you please, working(not driving), sleeping, or off duty. There is no "carry-over" whatsoever.

[headborg]

Originally Posted by ihatefordtrucks

It's very simple, just like the first guy said. You have a 14 hour window, in which you may drive a total of 11 hours. If you start your day at 6 AM, you must not drive the truck after 8 PM that day, and may not resume driving until 10 hours later (6 AM the next day)... and during that 14 hours, you may drive, at the very most, 11 hours. The other three hours can be spent however you please, working(not driving), sleeping, or off duty. There is no "carry-over" whatsoever.

there is --"carry-over" when you start looking at 70hour rule.

let's say- you have 20hrs left avail on your 70- you work 8.75

how many did you "carry over" to tomorrow?

now, lets say you only have 11 left on your 70 and work 8.75 and are picking up from 8th day past-- 5 hrs
now, how many you got tomorrow?

the 14 is just a clock- a boundry between the time when you start and have to finish DRIVING.

THERE IS NO..."USE OR LOSE" your WORK HOURS

you do not "deduct" a full 14 from your 70 every day.

you might use or misuse "unwisely" your available hours.
certainly you can't EXTEND your 14 hour CLOCK---

[headborg]

Originally Posted by ihatefordtrucks

It's very simple, just like the first guy said. You have a 14 hour window, in which you may drive a total of 11 hours. If you start your day at 6 AM, you must not drive the truck after 8 PM that day, and may not resume driving until 10 hours later (6 AM the next day)... and during that 14 hours, you may drive, at the very most, 11 hours. The other three hours can be spent however you please, working(not driving), sleeping, or off duty. There is no "carry-over" whatsoever.

yes, technically there can be "carry-over"--- if you take a 8hour sleeper berth break-- that will extend your 14hr clock --possibly into "tomorrow"- and crete rules do allow this PART of the sleep birth exception/provision-- because is suits the interest of the company.

Example: Load-1-you drive 7hrs into a consignee- get empty.(2pm) ( you got 4hrs remaining to drive on your 11, and lets say 6.5 on your 14.
Crete has a load#2- 15 miles away going 200 loaded miles short haul- for 5am delivery. You arrive at shipper and they detain you 3hours loading-Can you deliver this legal? Yes- if you extend your 14 by taking a 8hr break(stopping your 14hr clock.

This is a method of fully utilizing "your available" hours.

However, according to Crete Company policy-- once you've taken a 8hr break to "extend" your clock--- you're not allowed to follow it up with a 2hr break(to total 10)-- instead you will be required to take another FULL 10 hr break----

so boys and girls, you made your appointment on time at 5am- but now are unavailable for dispatch until 3pm now.

So was that 200 mile over-niter worth it? because now-- they got their ld delivered and it's cost you another 10hrs down time....it's now 3pm and most of all the load offers have gone out this morning. And instead of you
"carrying over" unused hours and having them ready at say 7am....you're 200 down the highway- and all that's left is another 200 mile load :wink:

[Cat6869]

Originally Posted by headborg

yes, technically there can be "carry-over"--- if you take a 8hour sleeper berth break-- that will extend your 14hr clock --possibly into "tomorrow"- and crete rules do allow this PART of the sleep birth exception/provision-- because is suits the interest of the company.

Example: Load-1-you drive 7hrs into a consignee- get empty.(2pm) ( you got 4hrs remaining to drive on your 11, and lets say 6.5 on your 14.
Crete has a load#2- 15 miles away going 200 loaded miles short haul- for 5am delivery. You arrive at shipper and they detain you 3hours loading-Can you deliver this legal? Yes- if you extend your 14 by taking a 8hr break(stopping your 14hr clock.

This is a method of fully utilizing "your available" hours.

However, according to Crete Company policy-- once you've taken a 8hr break to "extend" your clock--- you're not allowed to follow it up with a 2hr break(to total 10)-- instead you will be required to take another FULL 10 hr break----

so boys and girls, you made your appointment on time at 5am- but now are unavailable for dispatch until 3pm now.

So was that 200 mile over-niter worth it? because now-- they got their ld delivered and it's cost you another 10hrs down time....it's now 3pm and most of all the load offers have gone out this morning. And instead of you
"carrying over" unused hours and having them ready at say 7am....you're 200 down the highway- and all that's left is another 200 mile load :wink:

Thats not fair to the driver and the company is stupid for not letting you split break any further. Why would they make you shut down for 10 when you only have to shut down for 2! It doesn't make sense to me! The driver loses money and the company loses money :cry:

I hate when a company or person says split breaking is stupid or you can't do it. It's not fair to the driver! The companies need to be training you on how to split break so you can utilize the loads given to the best you can. Understanding them is the issue, but it's the easiest thing to do! You just have to study a minute and once you get it, it's like duh I can't believe it's that simple to figure out :lol:

[headborg]

they've done their risk vs reward number crunching--- and it seems to suggest(and the violation data supports it) that the #1 area where drivers have made a mistake is trying to do the split sleeper- the company just doesn't want to risk a violation/ DOT log audit or fines for it. So they've "cherry picked"( what their best at) and came up with the best parts for themselves. Remember, it's hard to find drivers willing to run Short Freight expecially when there's longer loads available. the more they can stretch you out- like the above example-- the more late afternoon/early morning over-nites you'll be stuck in that "routine".