Smith Trucking Company Told to stay OFF the 10 Meter band

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Old 09-13-2007, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kc0iv
RadioRay,

I have to ask you RR are so naive to believe the FCC spends so much time on CB radio?

Let's do a little number crunching. Would you agree there are well over a thousand of these illegal "10 meter" radios that are used by truckers? I really think there are a whole lot more. But let's say there are only 1000.

Now lets make another assumption and say in the last 5 years the FCCs has written 50 of these letters to trucking companies. I don't think it is that high but say it is.

That amounts to what? 5%.

Now let's make another assumption. Lets assume every trucking company does indeed force their drivers to remove these illegal "10 meter" radios. Which I doubt would happen but again let's say it happen. What is the net effect? Nothing. In those 5 years there would be a gain of at least another 500 illegal "10 meter" radios.

What you can say as a fact is the FCCs failed to enforce the laws back in the mid sixties when this illegal activity started. And to make matters worst they basically they still haven't done anything.

As much as you would like this illegal activity to end it isn't going to happen. As I ask a couple of weeks ago show me one illegal "10 meter" radios used in a truck that has been fined. As of this dated it appears you haven't been able to produce a single example. Nor have you produced anything more than copies of letters sent to the companies. No follow-up at all. What I am pretty sure of is these companies responded to the FCC and that is as far as it went (or for a company like UPS they MIGHT post a notice on the board). Most of these safety directors wouldn't have a clue if a CB was illegal or legal.

I know you RadioRay you live in your own little world where things happen the way you want them to happen. But in the real world it doesn't happen that way. Now you can continue posting to this board and the other boards you post on and everyone will have a laugh. But thing are not going to change. The horse got out of the barn and no amount of closing the door is going to get the horse back in the barn.

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Here's a copy I made from another thread. As you can see, the FCC isn't devoting thousands of agents like Radio Ray would have you believe.

The FCC is not worried about Billy Big Rigger no matter what Radio Ray would have you believe. Here's some stats for the last ten years regarding the FCC's criminal actions.


Raids: 111
Visits: 525
Arrests/Convictions/Sentencings: 20
Postal Contacts(warning letters): 292
Seizures: 113
Unknown Actions: 5
Notice of Proposed Fines: 88 for $1,060,400
Actual Fines: 70 for $687,550
Avg. Fine per Action: $564

So as you can see, a whopping 20 people were arrested in the last 10 years. Also these statistics include ALL of the enforcement actions of the FCC to include everyting from pirate radio stations to unlicensed HAM operators. So the odds of even getting caught are pretty slim at best. Unless of course you live next to a snitch with nothing better to do with their time. Even then, the most you're likely to get is a threatening letter.
 
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Hey RadioRay,

Might as well let them do as they please, between the FCC and DOT, eventually they will get caught.

Tuesday, 9/11 of all days, the Slaton, TX Weight Station, Texas DOT confiscated 7 modified radios and linears. First hand from the DOT officer (a licensed HAM and very knowledgable in radio electronics) involved in the inspections.

These guys seem to think that only the FCC is looking for illegal operations! They could not be further from the truth. I have seen, read, or heard about these confiscations in Pennsylvania, Arizona, California and now Texas.

Any bonehead that has a linear sitting in plain view on the dash or hanging from the console is just asking to get checked.

Let them keep it up! Truck drivers want respect, better pay, and the government to stay off their tails, but they choose not to follow the rules and regulations.

Somewhere in the last year or so, my favorite radio tech closed his store in Oklahoma, because he got tire of being hassled by the FCC. Someone came in wanting some off the wall mods done, he refused, and the next thing you know he had been reported as doing illegal modifications. Which he never did! He was great at standard peak and tunes (which are legal, at legal power) and fantastic at finding electircal circuit issues. Now I have to send him my Cobra 148 by UPS to get it fixed.

Several other mod shops are facing the same issues, and many have gone underground to keep from the hassles involved with keeping a shop.

These guys choose not to be educated, so it wil be their loss!
 
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Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Hey RadioRay,

Might as well let them do as they please, between the FCC and DOT, eventually they will get caught.

Tuesday, 9/11 of all days, the Slaton, TX Weight Station, Texas DOT confiscated 7 modified radios and linears. First hand from the DOT officer (a licensed HAM and very knowledgable in radio electronics) involved in the inspections.

These guys seem to think that only the FCC is looking for illegal operations! They could not be further from the truth. I have seen, read, or heard about these confiscations in Pennsylvania, Arizona, California and now Texas.

Any bonehead that has a linear sitting in plain view on the dash or hanging from the console is just asking to get checked.

Let them keep it up! Truck drivers want respect, better pay, and the government to stay off their tails, but they choose not to follow the rules and regulations.

Somewhere in the last year or so, my favorite radio tech closed his store in Oklahoma, because he got tire of being hassled by the FCC. Someone came in wanting some off the wall mods done, he refused, and the next thing you know he had been reported as doing illegal modifications. Which he never did! He was great at standard peak and tunes (which are legal, at legal power) and fantastic at finding electircal circuit issues. Now I have to send him my Cobra 148 by UPS to get it fixed.

Several other mod shops are facing the same issues, and many have gone underground to keep from the hassles involved with keeping a shop.

These guys choose not to be educated, so it wil be their loss!

I'd be interest in knowing what grounds A Texas D.O.T.officer could confiscate any radio other than a RADAR detector. Or any other D.O.T. officer.

Last time I checked D.O.T.officers were state employee not Federal employees. And in many states their police powers is very limited.

I haven't read or heard of the F.C.C. giving police powers to any other office. Maybe you could enlighten us as to where and where this occurred.

To "peak and tune" a radio requires a F.C.C. General Radiotelephone Operator License which I have. I think you will find the majority of these shops do not have the required license.


BTW countryhorseman Did you understand my exclamation on the difference between "morse code" and "binary".


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Old 09-14-2007, 08:09 AM
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I believe I put the when and where in the post. Care to read it again. I guess I did fail to mention that the DOT officer, was from the FMCSA. Law enforcement officers, regardless of their status, local, state, federal, or sworn to uphold the laws of this country, for one. Second, when federal inspection officers are involved in the inspections, it is there juridictions.

I case you have not noticed, state and federal enforcement in all the south border states has been greatly enhanced in the last two weeks. Pennsylvania State Police have done several such confiscations during inspections in the last several months. There was an interesting article in the Harrisburg paper (online) 4-5 weeks ago. Citations for the illegal equipment were issued and the equipment confiscated for evidence.

A commercial motor vehicle operated interstate is and does fall under federal enforcement, regardless if it is a state or federal officer doing the inspections.

As I stated earlier, keep doing what your are doing, legal or not, it makes me no real difference. Since it is not a matter if you (or whoever) is caught, but when.

Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Hey RadioRay,

Might as well let them do as they please, between the FCC and DOT, eventually they will get caught.

Tuesday, 9/11 of all days, the Slaton, TX Weight Station, Texas DOT confiscated 7 modified radios and linears. First hand from the DOT officer (a licensed HAM and very knowledgable in radio electronics) involved in the inspections.

These guys seem to think that only the FCC is looking for illegal operations! They could not be further from the truth. I have seen, read, or heard about these confiscations in Pennsylvania, Arizona, California and now Texas.

Any bonehead that has a linear sitting in plain view on the dash or hanging from the console is just asking to get checked.

Let them keep it up! Truck drivers want respect, better pay, and the government to stay off their tails, but they choose not to follow the rules and regulations.

Somewhere in the last year or so, my favorite radio tech closed his store in Oklahoma, because he got tire of being hassled by the FCC. Someone came in wanting some off the wall mods done, he refused, and the next thing you know he had been reported as doing illegal modifications. Which he never did! He was great at standard peak and tunes (which are legal, at legal power) and fantastic at finding electircal circuit issues. Now I have to send him my Cobra 148 by UPS to get it fixed.

Several other mod shops are facing the same issues, and many have gone underground to keep from the hassles involved with keeping a shop.

These guys choose not to be educated, so it wil be their loss!

I'd be interest in knowing what grounds A Texas D.O.T.officer could confiscate any radio other than a RADAR detector. Or any other D.O.T. officer.

Last time I checked D.O.T.officers were state employee not Federal employees. And in many states their police powers is very limited.

I haven't read or heard of the F.C.C. giving police powers to any other office. Maybe you could enlighten us as to where and where this occurred.

To "peak and tune" a radio requires a F.C.C. General Radiotelephone Operator License which I have. I think you will find the majority of these shops do not have the required license.


BTW countryhorseman Did you understand my exclamation on the difference between "morse code" and "binary".


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Originally Posted by countryhorseman
I believe I put the when and where in the post. Care to read it again. I guess I did fail to mention that the DOT officer, was from the FMCSA. Law enforcement officers, regardless of their status, local, state, federal, or sworn to uphold the laws of this country, for one. Second, when federal inspection officers are involved in the inspections, it is there juridictions.

I case you have not noticed, state and federal enforcement in all the south border states has been greatly enhanced in the last two weeks. Pennsylvania State Police have done several such confiscations during inspections in the last several months. There was an interesting article in the Harrisburg paper (online) 4-5 weeks ago. Citations for the illegal equipment were issued and the equipment confiscated for evidence.

A commercial motor vehicle operated interstate is and does fall under federal enforcement, regardless if it is a state or federal officer doing the inspections.

As I stated earlier, keep doing what your are doing, legal or not, it makes me no real difference. Since it is not a matter if you (or whoever) is caught, but when.

Have a nice day!
Per the http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ection=350.211 website:
1. The State has adopted commercial motor carrier and highway hazardous materials safety rules and regulations that are compatible with the FMCSRs and the HMRs.

2. The State has designated (name of State CMV safety agency) as the lead agency to administer the CVSP for the grant sought and (names of agencies) to perform defined functions under the plan. These agencies have the legal authority, resources, and qualified personnel necessary to enforce the State's commercial motor carrier, driver, and highway hazardous materials safety laws or regulations.

§350.111 What constitutes "traffic enforcement" for the purpose of the MCSAP?

Traffic enforcement means enforcement activities of State or local officials, including stopping CMVs operating on highways, streets, or roads for violations of State or local motor vehicle or traffic laws (e.g., speeding, following too closely, reckless driving, improper lane change). To be eligible for funding through the grant, traffic enforcement must include an appropriate North American Standard Inspection of the CMV or driver or both prior to releasing the driver or CMV for resumption of operations.


As you can see the enforcement by FMCSA is by each state. Put simply FMCSA does not have enforcement officers per se.

There are many state laws Federal law enforcement offices can not enforce. Just like there are Federal laws the states can not enforce.

As I said before the F.C.C. has not handed over to the states enforcement of their rules and regulations. There have been discussions by the F.C.C. on this subject but to my knowledge no such agreement has been signed. Nor has there been any publication in the registry of any notice of rule making for such a rule change.

As I showed above FMCSA rules and regulations are limited to enforcement of their rules and regulations. And since FMCSA has no jurisdiction over the rules and regulations of the F.C.C. they have way of enforce any F.C.C. rule or regulation.

Let me make one very important statement. I have never owned nor operated any illegal radio. Nor do I have any reason to ever own or operate such a radio.

As far as trucking is concerned I could care less. I been retired for 2 years now and will never drive a commercial vehicle again.

I couldn't locate the article you reference so if you have a website please post the address. Or give the PA law that Pennsylvania State Police used for such an enforcement.

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Originally Posted by kc0iv
As far as trucking is concerned I could care less. I been retired for 2 years now and will never drive a commercial vehicle again.
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Originally Posted by kc0iv
As far as trucking is concerned I could care less. I been retired for 2 years now and will never drive a commercial vehicle again.
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Since you care so little..why are you here?
Seems I left a few words out of my post. It should of said --- As far as trucking and illegal radios is concerned I could care less. --- And besides who else would RadioRay be able to talk to?

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kc0iv,

although you quoted a regulations that is in fact accurate, you are trying to justify specifics to one set of laws or regulations. the laws and regulations that govern this and many other industries are such a cob web of confusion, they can and will cross jurisdictional boundaries. I have personally seen the radios and other devices that had been confiscated in Pennsylvania.

I do not know for sure what the specific rule, law or regulation was in which that had been allowed to confiscate the equipment, as I was glad to be given a wave through and get out of there, but I do not it is being done.

As far as you operating legally, I do not believe I have ever stated as such. As when I refer to those operating illegal equipment, I have tried to word the statements as general in nature.

I am not for certain, but I would be led to believe that the FCC has interoperational agreements with other enforcement agencies to an extent. As I do not have the time to research that point at this time, I will emphasize it is based on knowledge of agreements with other agency's within our governmental framework.
 
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Originally Posted by kc0iv
As far as trucking is concerned I could care less. I been retired for 2 years now and will never drive a commercial vehicle again.
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I believe he is here, to possibly help others through his past experiences and knowledge of the industry. Not everyone has to be a currently active member of the industry, to have something useful to offer the industry.

I for one have learned from him, although we have differing opinions, his post have been of use and knowledge. Many of his post have actually been a challenge to prove the intent of another poster, which can be beneficial to all.

Much like RadioRay's intent, from what I have read is more to educate and inform of activities taking place, not so much to condemn those that partake in those activities. It amazes me how many people have no interest in the content, that choose to attack him, or anyone else on those issues. If they are not interested in the subject matter, there is much more to read in these forums.

My two cents worth on that!
 
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You said:
As far as you operating legally, I do not believe I have ever stated as such. As when I refer to those operating illegal equipment, I have tried to word the statements as general in nature.

Read the following: posted by countryhorseman


Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject:

As I stated earlier, keep doing what your are doing, legal or not, it makes me no real difference. Since it is not a matter if you (or whoever) is caught, but when.

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