[Fredog]

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

I'm sorry to say that I'm LOST on this subject. I should know more about this kinda of thing as it could affect me sometime in the furture.Are there any "guide-lines" to go by? Any national standard? I can see a lot of room for abuse by the companies who want to keep their drivers from being able to leave for another company. If you you use the standard you described then everything is preventable. Two or three preventables and your chances of getting a job are close to slim to none.

example, you are driving along, car is coming out of side road, he stops at stop sign, looks at you and then goes and you cant stop and you hit him.. his fault, but preventable because you should have covered your brake and been prepared to stop./ this is how it was explained to me by an insurance rep. like you said, almost everything is considered preventable. I asked for an example of non-preventable, he said.. you are driving along and a meteorite falls on you, that is not preventable. so in other words.. in most cases you are SCREWED!! and no you dont get a kiss

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

I'm sorry to say that I'm LOST on this subject. I should know more about this kinda of thing as it could affect me sometime in the furture.Are there any "guide-lines" to go by? Any national standard? I can see a lot of room for abuse by the companies who want to keep their drivers from being able to leave for another company. If you you use the standard you described then everything is preventable. Two or three preventables and your chances of getting a job are close to slim to none.

Just about, Ridge Runner!!

At the same time, there IS a difference between "Accountability" and "Culpability", and drivers DO need to understand that whether an accident or an incident is legally "their fault", the fact is that they have been trusted with somebody else's money, somebody else's asset, sombody else's cargo, and somebody else's "risk", and they have been entrusted to get from Point A to Point B with everything in tact.

The sooner a driver gets that burned into his head, the better chance he has of keeping everything in one piece.

Are there abuses?? Yes!!.....and IMHO, their should be some degree of accountability and repriasals for compqanies who wrongfully determine an accident to be "preventable".

[Ridge Runner]

OK. I guess what I'm getting at is : You have an accident. You are not at fault. Your comapny decides the accident was preventable. It goes on your DAC as a preventable. Does DAC also list it as you being NOT at fault? If a company pulls your DAC will they only see that you had x number of preventables without knowing what happened? Sorry, but I just don't see how in Freddogs example the driver should/could be charged with a preventable. Are we to have the ability to read other drivers minds? ( I'm talking about someone pulling out in front of you with NO room to stop.)

[Fredog]

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

OK. I guess what I'm getting at is : You have an accident. You are not at fault. Your comapny decides the accident was preventable. It goes on your DAC as a preventable. Does DAC also list it as you being NOT at fault? If a company pulls your DAC will they only see that you had x number of preventables without knowing what happened? Sorry, but I just don't see how in Freddogs example the driver should/could be charged with a preventable. Are we to have the ability to read other drivers minds? ( I'm talking about someone pulling out in front of you with NO room to stop.)

not all companies would call it preventable. mine wouldnt, he was just giving examples of potential situations, I understand that dac will put anything a company says on your report and then you play hell trying to get it corrected.

[Fredog]

Originally Posted by Fredog

not all companies would call it preventable. mine wouldnt, he was just giving examples of potential situations, I understand that dac will put anything a company says on your report and then you play hell trying to get it corrected.

you might find this interesting
http://www.speedingticketcentral.com/DAC.html

[Part Time Dweller]

Are we to have the ability to read other drivers minds? ( I'm talking about someone pulling out in front of you with NO room to stop.)

Not mind reading, but reading the road. One of the major parts of defensive driving is paying attention to other traffic. If you see a vehicle approaching a stop you have to assume they aren't going to stop. Make eye contact, if they don't look your way expect them to pull out and make the necessary adjustments. That is what a professional does anyways, a steering wheel holder plays with the radio and cell phone with total disregard to others, then when involved in an accident, can't understand how it was preventable and accepts no personal responsibility for their inattention.

Ask one of many drivers that have a million plus accident free miles, it isn't just luck. And NO, I am not one of them, but have learned from my mistakes. One reason they do these accident reviews whether an accident is preventable or not is to teach drivers what they could have done to prevent it and learn from it.

[yoopr]

Sad to say but just about any accident a truck is involved in will most likely be classified Preventable.

[Sabine]

Gotta love that way of thinking. It is one thing to be screwed over by your company, but these review boards include drivers.

It is simple enough to find fault sitting in an office, and looking at diagrams or maybe a couple of pictures.

But those of you doing the reviewing, think about it, it is probably only by the grace of god you have avoided any and all collisions.

I can't even count how many times a week or even a day, I slam on my brakes to avoid someone trying to make an exit or other such thing. I keep my distance, try to drive defensively, but you cannot predict everyones behavior.

About a month ago, on my way to my pickup point the road was closed (in Harrisburg, PA), due to the fire dept. hanging up some banners. The road detoured to the left, so I made a left, and there is the low bridge ahead of me. Couldn't see the sign until I was half way into the turn, I stop, while I am turning.

The cop who was just standing there up until then, came over, told me he was stopping traffic, back up and wait for the mess to clear. No problem. I started to back up, when one of the cars to my right didn't feel like waiting anymore and whizzed behind me, only my guardian angle saved me on that one. I couldn't see him until I almost hit him. Yeah, preventable, I am sure, but the cop was stopping everyone, well, all but this guy.

Had there been a wreck, it would have been my fault, I am sure, employing the guide lines these boards use.

[Part Time Dweller]

Originally Posted by Sabine

only my guardian angle saved me on that one. I couldn't see him until I almost hit him. Yeah, preventable, I am sure, but the cop was stopping everyone, well, all but this guy.

It wasn't your guardian angel, it was you doing your job by paying attention. If you had hit the car, it would have been your fault, as you wouldn't have been paying attention. The reason you have had so many close calls is you do your job well.

[Fozzy]

Originally Posted by Sabine

Gotta love that way of thinking. It is one thing to be screwed over by your company, but these review boards include drivers.

It is simple enough to find fault sitting in an office, and looking at diagrams or maybe a couple of pictures.

But those of you doing the reviewing, think about it, it is probably only by the grace of god you have avoided any and all collisions.

I can't even count how many times a week or even a day, I slam on my brakes to avoid someone trying to make an exit or other such thing. I keep my distance, try to drive defensively, but you cannot predict everyones behavior.

About a month ago, on my way to my pickup point the road was closed (in Harrisburg, PA), due to the fire dept. hanging up some banners. The road detoured to the left, so I made a left, and there is the low bridge ahead of me. Couldn't see the sign until I was half way into the turn, I stop, while I am turning.

The cop who was just standing there up until then, came over, told me he was stopping traffic, back up and wait for the mess to clear. No problem. I started to back up, when one of the cars to my right didn't feel like waiting anymore and whizzed behind me, only my guardian angle saved me on that one. I couldn't see him until I almost hit him. Yeah, preventable, I am sure, but the cop was stopping everyone, well, all but this guy.

Had there been a wreck, it would have been my fault, I am sure, employing the guide lines these boards use.

In a majority of the boards I was on the simplt fact is that they are all preventable. MOST were backing accidents.. one of the others a guy ran over a pole.. One of the backing accidents was blamed on Mexicans working in the factory... We on these review boards know that newt week it could be us on the stack of papers.. it still doesn't change the criteria at all.