FCC Is Continuing to Deal with the theft of frequencies!
#61
07-26-2007, 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by RadioRay
Actually there's no exageration. There is a thread at www.qrz.com about 5 pages long about the subject. They're pretty aggravated over it. There's also an article about it at www.arnewline.com, and if it isn't easily found, it can be googled to locate it. There's also a Google item entitled "'Hammies' (sic) want us off 10 Meters". There's a lot more irritation than one might think over this. True, we can't determine how many drivers that read this site are actually violating the regulations, I think it serves the purpose of informing the industry that this is a problem. Most drivers are law-abiding citizens, and, once made aware of the fact that transmitting on 10 Meters without a license is illegal and can get you in lots of trouble, they would stop doing it. Chances are, many people don't KNOW it is against the law. They don't KNOW that those "10 Meter" radios they bought at a CB shop "out back" are illegal. If they know, most of them would stop it, I think. Those who don't/won't are the ones who are intractable and/or a prone to violate other laws as well. But they need to know anyway, don't you think?  Thanks, RR Don't you think it is a little odd that QRZ.com complains about illegal operations on 10 meters and then publish illegal mods for non type accepted radios? Look at: http://www.qrz.com/download/mods-i-k/index.html Kinda like -- Pot calling the kettle black. kc0iv
#62
07-26-2007, 10:11 AM
Actually, I don't see any inconsistency in than the Amateur sets must be modified so as to operate in MARS (military affiliate, for those who don't know). This is a perfectly legal and approved modification for that purpose and for accessing the recently added 60 Meter frequencies. You would find that, actually, most hams modify their sets with honorable intentions and generally abide by the rules of the service they intend to operate in!
73 RR
#63
07-27-2007, 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by RadioRay
Actually, I don't see any inconsistency in than the Amateur sets must be modified so as to operate in MARS (military affiliate, for those who don't know). This is a perfectly legal and approved modification for that purpose and for accessing the recently added 60 Meter frequencies. You would find that, actually, most hams modify their sets with honorable intentions and generally abide by the rules of the service they intend to operate in!
73 RR Reading:
Sec. 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units.
(a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) (b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to an FRS unit. Any internal modification cancels the FCC certification and voids your authority to operate the unit in the FRS.
FRS Band: 14 Channels = 7 at 462.### and 7 at 467.### MHz. If TXing on the FRS Band, make sure you set the unit to the LOW = 500 mw power setting.
kc0iv
#64
07-27-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by RadioRay
Actually, I don't see any inconsistency in than the Amateur sets must be modified so as to operate in MARS (military affiliate, for those who don't know). This is a perfectly legal and approved modification for that purpose and for accessing the recently added 60 Meter frequencies. You would find that, actually, most hams modify their sets with honorable intentions and generally abide by the rules of the service they intend to operate in!
73 RR Reading:
Sec. 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units.
(a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) (b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to an FRS unit. Any internal modification cancels the FCC certification and voids your authority to operate the unit in the FRS.
FRS Band: 14 Channels = 7 at 462.### and 7 at 467.### MHz. If TXing on the FRS Band, make sure you set the unit to the LOW = 500 mw power setting.
kc0iv
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#65
07-27-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by RadioRay
Actually, I don't see any inconsistency in than the Amateur sets must be modified so as to operate in MARS (military affiliate, for those who don't know). This is a perfectly legal and approved modification for that purpose and for accessing the recently added 60 Meter frequencies. You would find that, actually, most hams modify their sets with honorable intentions and generally abide by the rules of the service they intend to operate in!
73 RR Reading:
Sec. 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units.
(a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) (b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to an FRS unit. Any internal modification cancels the FCC certification and voids your authority to operate the unit in the FRS.
FRS Band: 14 Channels = 7 at 462.### and 7 at 467.### MHz. If TXing on the FRS Band, make sure you set the unit to the LOW = 500 mw power setting.
kc0iv I thought you were one of those "hams" that believed in being a law abiding citizens. You have proved me wrong. I wonder what other laws you think it's OK to break. kc0iv
#66
07-27-2007, 01:53 PM
[quote]
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by RadioRay
Actually, I don't see any inconsistency in than the Amateur sets must be modified so as to operate in MARS (military affiliate, for those who don't know). This is a perfectly legal and approved modification for that purpose and for accessing the recently added 60 Meter frequencies. You would find that, actually, most hams modify their sets with honorable intentions and generally abide by the rules of the service they intend to operate in!
73 RR Reading:
Sec. 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units.
(a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) (b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to an FRS unit. Any internal modification cancels the FCC certification and voids your authority to operate the unit in the FRS.
FRS Band: 14 Channels = 7 at 462.### and 7 at 467.### MHz. If TXing on the FRS Band, make sure you set the unit to the LOW = 500 mw power setting.
kc0iv
that's fine as long as those durned truck drivahs stay off the 10 meter band
Ray didnt write that , I did
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#67
07-27-2007, 02:17 PM
SIMPLE. The modification of a radio is NOT illegal, THAT'S why. AS LONG AS IT IS USED ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE SERVICE IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED IN. USING a modified amateur set to TRANSMIT on FRS is against the law. By ANYBODY! Yet anytime a radio set is modified, it enables transmit on ALL frequencies in its range. It is the OPERATOR'S responsibility to see that it is operated according to the rules of the intended service. These include US Government, military, FEMA, SHARES, MARS and USAF Auxiliary (CAP). FCC has NO authority in such cases and you may Google "NTIA" to learn what this agency does and how it "trumps" FCC. Just because a radio is modified, it doesn't mean it is going to be used illegally, and it is NOT illegal to mod it. The difference in the alleged "10 Meter" radios and the amateur radios is, the '10 Meter' radios are listed on FCC's Office of Technology page specifically by name as being illegal to SELL, and they are illegal to use on CB, or on the ham bands without license.
I see no inconsistency in the law as it sits. If a person operates a radio outside the rules of any service, then he should be subject to the penalties that apply--ham or CBer. I NEVER said it was OK to operate an Amateur set on FRS--or any band without license or authority. It just happens that it is NOT illegal to modify an amateur radio. You may NOT use it on FRS. It has N E V E R been legal to use an Amateur set on civilian frequencies. You are attempting to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. I do NOT condone illegal operations of any kind and that goes for CB and ham. RR
#68
07-27-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by RadioRay
SIMPLE. The modification of a radio is NOT illegal, THAT'S why. AS LONG AS IT IS USED ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE SERVICE IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED IN. USING a modified amateur set to TRANSMIT on FRS is against the law. By ANYBODY! Yet anytime a radio set is modified, it enables transmit on ALL frequencies in its range. It is the OPERATOR'S responsibility to see that it is operated according to the rules of the intended service. These include US Government, military, FEMA, SHARES, MARS and USAF Auxiliary (CAP). FCC has NO authority in such cases and you may Google "NTIA" to learn what this agency does and how it "trumps" FCC. Just because a radio is modified, it doesn't mean it is going to be used illegally, and it is NOT illegal to mod it. The difference in the alleged "10 Meter" radios and the amateur radios is, the '10 Meter' radios are listed on FCC's Office of Technology page specifically by name as being illegal to SELL, and they are illegal to use on CB, or on the ham bands without license.
I see no inconsistency in the law as it sits. If a person operates a radio outside the rules of any service, then he should be subject to the penalties that apply--ham or CBer. I NEVER said it was OK to operate an Amateur set on FRS--or any band without license or authority. It just happens that it is NOT illegal to modify an amateur radio. You may NOT use it on FRS. It has N E V E R been legal to use an Amateur set on civilian frequencies. You are attempting to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. I do NOT condone illegal operations of any kind and that goes for CB and ham. RR I still think it degrades "Ham Radio" for a national publication to publish a know illegal operation. And not only publish the how-to but the go on and tell them to make sure they operate at a reduced power. Again I apologize. kc0iv
#69
07-28-2007, 04:02 AM
But wouldn't you agree that this is a matter of perception? I can see how it might look illegal, particularly from the standpoint of someone who might be looking for some moral equivilency. IOW, hmmm, let me see. *I'M* doing something that I WANT to be legal, but it isn't so I have to find someway to equalize the operations of those who ARE legal in order to find a level plane!
But the fact is, those modifications shown on QRZ are not illegal in and of themselves, and are intended to help those who DO have a legitimate need for operations outside of amateur radio. The KEY is usage, and so long as the radio is used (and the mods are done correctly) in the service in which it is intended with authorization (such as MARS) there is no foul. I don't doubt there are hams that make mods with ill intent, transmit outside the amateur bands without authorization, and do "bad" things. *I* don't! Yes, my radio IS modified (GASP!)...................but! It is used in NTIA-authorized services and outside FCC's jurisdiction. It is NTIA that would "smack" me (actually USAF Freq/mgt) if I weren't in compliance with the parent agency with whom I operate. Those hams that DO misbehave, I want caught! Those who run bootleg CB shops and sell "10 Meter" radios, I want fined and revoked! ME, I think too much of my license to make mischief. :lol: 73 RR
#70
07-28-2007, 06:51 AM
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by RadioRay
SIMPLE. The modification of a radio is NOT illegal, THAT'S why. AS LONG AS IT IS USED ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE SERVICE IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED IN. USING a modified amateur set to TRANSMIT on FRS is against the law. By ANYBODY! Yet anytime a radio set is modified, it enables transmit on ALL frequencies in its range. It is the OPERATOR'S responsibility to see that it is operated according to the rules of the intended service. These include US Government, military, FEMA, SHARES, MARS and USAF Auxiliary (CAP). FCC has NO authority in such cases and you may Google "NTIA" to learn what this agency does and how it "trumps" FCC. Just because a radio is modified, it doesn't mean it is going to be used illegally, and it is NOT illegal to mod it. The difference in the alleged "10 Meter" radios and the amateur radios is, the '10 Meter' radios are listed on FCC's Office of Technology page specifically by name as being illegal to SELL, and they are illegal to use on CB, or on the ham bands without license.
I see no inconsistency in the law as it sits. If a person operates a radio outside the rules of any service, then he should be subject to the penalties that apply--ham or CBer. I NEVER said it was OK to operate an Amateur set on FRS--or any band without license or authority. It just happens that it is NOT illegal to modify an amateur radio. You may NOT use it on FRS. It has N E V E R been legal to use an Amateur set on civilian frequencies. You are attempting to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. I do NOT condone illegal operations of any kind and that goes for CB and ham. RR I still think it degrades "Ham Radio" for a national publication to publish a know illegal operation. And not only publish the how-to but the go on and tell them to make sure they operate at a reduced power. Again I apologize. kc0iv 
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