Rev & Kovi (I believe that is the one, sorry If I am wrong)
#1
11-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Rev & Kovi (I believe that is the one, sorry If I am wro
B-6. How would "waiting time" at a terminal, plant, or port be logged?
"Waiting time" at a terminal, plant, or port may be recorded as off-duty, sleeper berth, or on duty/not driving, depending on specific circumstances. For "waiting time" to be off-duty, the following off-duty conditions must be met: The driver must be relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying. During the stop, and for the duration of the stop, the driver must be at liberty to pursue activities of his/her own choosing and to leave the premises where the vehicle is situated. MANY COMPANIES WILL NOT RELIEVE YOU TO GO TO FOR A WALK ETC WHILE THEY ARE LOADING/UNLOADING. Although if they do you must remain within the time frame the "card they give you" allows you to log off duty. If circumstances permit a driver to utilize a valid sleeper berth without being disturbed for a specific period of "waiting time," that time in the sleeper berth may be recorded as "sleeper berth" time. However, a driver must take eight consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, plus another two consecutive hours off duty or in a sleeper berth, in order to meet the requirement for the equivalent of 10 consecutive hours off duty. In most other circumstances, such as when the driver is required to remain with the vehicle to move it when necessary, the "waiting time" should be recorded as "on duty/not driving." The time in sleeper can be logged, although this does not MEAN you are going to split break, it only helps you save on your 70 hour! In some cases it just might help you split break later on! If you have to count or stand there while they load/unload the WHOLE TIME is on line 4! These provisions should not be confused with waiting time of drivers of vehicles that are specially constructed to service oil wells. No it doesn't tell you how much time to log at a shipper/consignee, but it is again only COMMON SENSE it will take @ LEAST 15 minutes to deal with that situation! :lol:
#2
11-06-2006, 03:38 PM
Re: Rev & Kovi (I believe that is the one, sorry If I am
Originally Posted by Dawn
MANY COMPANIES WILL NOT RELIEVE YOU TO GO TO FOR A WALK ETC WHILE THEY ARE LOADING/UNLOADING. Although if they do you must remain within the time frame the "card they give you" allows you to log off duty.
Question 3: A driver has been given written permission by his/her employer to record meal and other routine stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. Is the driver required to record such time as off-duty, or is it the driver's decision whether such time is recorded as off-duty?
Guidance: It is the employer's choice whether the driver shall record stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. However, employers may permit drivers to make the decision as to how the time will be recorded.
If circumstances permit a driver to utilize a valid sleeper berth without being disturbed for a specific period of "waiting time," that time in the sleeper berth may be recorded as "sleeper berth" time. However, a driver must take eight consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, plus another two consecutive hours off duty or in a sleeper berth, in order to meet the requirement for the equivalent of 10 consecutive hours off duty. In most other circumstances, such as when the driver is required to remain with the vehicle to move it when necessary, the "waiting time" should be recorded as "on duty/not driving."
Only if they are responsible for loading and unloading. If they are relieved from duty during a loading and unloading time (which WOULD allow them to go into the sleeper berth), then they are OFF DUTY. You cannot log sleeper berth time when you are considered ON DUTY.
If you have to count or stand there while they load/unload the WHOLE TIME is on line 4!
No it doesn't tell you how much time to log at a shipper/consignee, but it is again only COMMON SENSE it will take @ LEAST 15 minutes to deal with that situation! :lol:
Have you ever loaded or unloaded a trailer IN YOUR LIFE?
#4
11-07-2006, 05:32 AM
That fictitious "card" again.
Companies MAY differ in the wording on the card, I don't know. But, MINE does not apply to time at a shipper/receiver/terminal, etc. For THAT, I would have to log S/B time if not counting, watching, attending, etc. Mine specifically mentions being ENROUTE, and has a two hour cap. Now.... the reality is that if I arrive at a receiver and check in only to find out I have a 4 hour wait.... I'm not going to show the "check in" time. (unless they timestamp my BOL.) I'm going to consider myself still "enroute," and log line 1 or 2. It really doesn't matter, if it's gonna be less than 8 hours.
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#5
11-07-2006, 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
That fictitious "card" again.
What is "fictitious" is that there is NOTHING in the regs that REQUIRES this, as Dawn is trying to claim. In fact, you would be hard pressed to come up with ANYTHING in the regs that even MENTIONS a card.
#6
11-07-2006, 10:41 AM
What is "fictitious" is that there is NOTHING in the regs that REQUIRES this, as Dawn is trying to claim.
In fact, you would be hard pressed to come up with ANYTHING in the regs that even MENTIONS a card. That's what I said but I responded in the wrong part of the Forum :P Only thing in the Regs. Mentioning Card is PlaCARD :P
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#7
11-07-2006, 01:03 PM
The driver must be relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying
MANY COMPANIES WILL NOT RELIEVE YOU TO GO TO FOR A WALK ETC WHILE THEY ARE LOADING/UNLOADING. Although if they do you must remain within the time frame the "card they give you" allows you to log off duty. To be off duty while under a load you must have the card to ALLOW YOU to go off duty for meal breaks personal use. My company has one up to 90 minutes (I will check into the 2 hour thing,cause I am all for my drivers saving time on line 4 "legally") If you DO NOT HAVE THE CARD, Then MEAL BREAKS ARE CONSIDERED "ON DUTY". If there is a restraunt near the customer, then you could go eat, if the shipper/consignee & company does not mind you leaving there and this time could be logged off duty! Most of the time theydon't want you leaving the property! And MOST drivers would agree! Most drivers are usually at the customer the whole time. DOT does not tell you to log fuel (in the book) , but don't log your fuel and he won't say anything (FALSE STATEMENT) DOT does not tell you how long to log anything! They leave it pretty well open in the book, If you are driving (which means you are "behind the wheel" on duty"working but not driving" and off duty" not responsible for a load/equipment, unless the company "ALLOWS YOU" to log a certain amount of time off duty, and sleeper means "my body is in the sleeper" It does not mean I AM SLEEPING! The goal would be you are sleeping, but you could log in the sleeper and watch a movie part of your 10 hour break! So now where was I incorrect! You don't have to be given a card for anything! I did say they HAD TO! But if they don't while under a load you should only be logging lines 2,3 & 4. It is in the drivers and companies best interest to give a driver this card. So I don't know why you want to say I said something wrong "cause I did not once again"
#8
11-07-2006, 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Dawn
MANY COMPANIES WILL NOT RELIEVE YOU TO GO TO FOR A WALK ETC WHILE THEY ARE LOADING/UNLOADING. Although if they do you must remain within the time frame the "card they give you" allows you to log off duty.
Question 3: A driver has been given written permission by his/her employer to record meal and other routine stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. Is the driver required to record such time as off-duty, or is it the driver's decision whether such time is recorded as off-duty?
Guidance: It is the employer's choice whether the driver shall record stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time. However, employers may permit drivers to make the decision as to how the time will be recorded.
Originally Posted by Dawn
To be off duty while under a load you must have the card to ALLOW YOU to go off duty for meal breaks personal use. My company has one up to 90 minutes (I will check into the 2 hour thing,cause I am all for my drivers saving time on line 4 "legally") If you DO NOT HAVE THE CARD, Then MEAL BREAKS ARE CONSIDERED "ON DUTY".
Question 2: What conditions must be met for a CMV driver to record meal and other routine stops made during a tour of duty as off-duty time?
Guidance: 1. The driver must have been relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying. 2. The duration of the driver's relief from duty must be a finite period of time which is of sufficient duration to ensure that the accumulated fatigue resulting from operating a CMV will be significantly reduced. 3. If the driver has been relieved from duty, as noted in (1) above, the duration of the relief from duty must have been made known to the driver prior to the driver's departure in written instructions from the employer. There are no record retention requirements for these instructions on board a vehicle or at a motor carrier's principal place of business.
If there is a restraunt near the customer, then you could go eat, if the shipper/consignee & company does not mind you leaving there and this time could be logged off duty! Most of the time theydon't want you leaving the property! And MOST drivers would agree! Most drivers are usually at the customer the whole time.
DOT does not tell you to log fuel (in the book) ,
§395.2 Definitions.
On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include: (2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;
Question 11: Must nontransportation-related work for a motor carrier be recorded as on-duty time?
Guidance: Yes. All work for a motor carrier, whether compensated or not, must be recorded as on-duty time. The term "work" as used in the definition of "on-duty time" in §395.2 of the FMCSRs is not limited to driving or other nontransportation-related employment.
Originally Posted by Dawn
but don't log your fuel and he won't say anything (FALSE STATEMENT) DOT does not tell you how long to log anything!
So now where was I incorrect!
You don't have to be given a card for anything! I did say they HAD TO! But if they don't while under a load you should only be logging lines 2,3 & 4.
#9
11-07-2006, 01:34 PM
To be off duty while under a load you must have the card
Good Grief-when are you going to understand you Don't need a Card. Just because companies give them out doesn't mean they're required-Which they're not.
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#10
11-07-2006, 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by yoopr
To be off duty while under a load you must have the card
Good Grief-when are you going to understand you Don't need a Card. Just because companies give them out doesn't mean they're required-Which they're not. |
