log book help
#1
10-26-2006, 06:46 AM
log book help
It seems that I can't a 100% correct answer about log books. I drive for a moving company, very small, 2 trucks and one truck is local only, i do local and long distance. A great company so I'm not knocking them at all. I'd say that 98% of my driving is local, and very local. I leave the shop in the mornings and usually at the most have a 45 mile drive. I load the truck and have 2 guys that lump the item from the home. after loading we drive to the shippers new home and unload, almost always i the same day. My hours vary, I may have a 2 hour day one day and then a 12 hour day the next. Well I thought that if driving local like that i needed no log. Then I was stopped in IN. and shut down for 12 hours for not having a previous 7 days. She told me that if the truck leaves even for a mile I had to fill out a complete log. I am from Greenville, SC , and recently took a shipment to Charleston, SC, which is 200 miles from our shop. I was stopped at the weigh station there and had my log filled out nice and pretty. Well the guy checked all my paper work except my log, so I asked him why he didn't check it he told me that if i was driving in a 250 mile radius I didn't need to fill it out. And he a difference rather or not i was crossing state lines, which i didn't. So who is right? IN or SC? and was the guy in SC not worried about me because I am from the state? And if SC is right how do I have a previous 7 days?? please help and I'm sorry this is so long. by the way i drive a 26' straight truck that has a GVW of 32,000lbs
#2
10-26-2006, 07:56 AM
Logs
"She told me that if the truck leaves even for a mile I had to fill out a complete log." Don't think that's true if you were not more than 100 air miles from where you clocked in for work. "I am from Greenville, SC" This may be why she shut you down. I think Indiana's farther than 100 air miles from Geenville. The SC guys was confused, it would be a 200 air mile diameter(2x radius). BOL
#3
10-26-2006, 08:04 AM
You dont have to fill out a logbook if you are within 150 miles (I thought) of you home terminal. So in IN you have to have a log wich includes the previous 7 days. check www.fmcsa.gov to read the law yourself.
As to little moving cos. Ive seen my share of them, did that for 4 years :x If you got a good one then good for you, just beware and cover your ass. Since you have a CDL class B to drive that truck, you dont get a break like class c drivers do....
#4
10-26-2006, 11:55 AM
The problem is that if you have to log even SOMETIMES then at that time you need to carry your logbook showing all time in the last 7 days. Those 7 days may be logged as line 4 on duty for the time that you were working and make the remark "short haul Greenville SC" (rather than filling out every detail) BUT the record of duty status needs to be in your possession.
Indiana is more than 400 miles from Greenville, SC, so you need to comply with all logbook requirements for that day AND the previous 7 days. Within the state of SC you will need to comply with that state's regulations which may be different from federal regulations. Short haul HOS from section 395.1:
(e)(2)(i) The driver operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle for which a commercial driver’s license is not required under part 383 of this subchapter;
(e)(2)(ii) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius of the location where the driver reports to and is released from work, i.e., the normal work reporting location; (e)(2)(iii) The driver returns to the normal work reporting location at the end of each duty tour; (e)(2)(iv) The driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each on-duty period; (e)(2)(v) The driver does not drive more than 11 hours following at least 10 consecutive hours off duty; (e)(2)(vi) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vi)(A) After the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; and (e)(2)(vi)(B) After the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; (e)(2)(vii) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vii)(A) After having been on duty for 60 hours in 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(vii)(B) After having been on duty for 70 hours in 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(viii) Any period of 7 or 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours. (e)(2)(ix) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(2)(ix)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
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#5
10-26-2006, 12:17 PM
Since you might go out of the 100 miles from the home terminal at any given time i would keep a log book. In our company all our drivers keep a log book just in case they have to go out further than a 100 miles. For our local guys they just show metro deliveries and show driving time of 35 miles per hour for every mile they drive. We just show it at the end of the day.
#6
10-26-2006, 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Rawlco
The problem is that if you have to log even SOMETIMES then at that time you need to carry your logbook showing all time in the last 7 days. Those 7 days may be logged as line 4 on duty for the time that you were working and make the remark "short haul Greenville SC" (rather than filling out every detail) BUT the record of duty status needs to be in your possession.
Question 21: When a driver fails to meet the provisions of the 100- air-mile radius exemption (§395.1(e)), is the driver required to have copies of his/her records of duty status for the previous seven days? Must the driver prepare daily records of duty status for the next seven days?
Guidance: The driver must only have in his/her possession a record of duty status for the day he/she does not qualify for the exemption. A driver must begin to prepare the record of duty status for the day immediately after he/she becomes aware that the terms of the exemption cannot be met. The record of duty status must cover the entire day, even if the driver has to record retroactively changes in status that occurred between the time that the driver reported for duty and the time in which he/she no longer qualified for the 100 air-mile radius exemption. This is the only way to ensure that a driver does not claim the right to drive 10 hours after leaving his/her exempt status, in addition to the hours already driven under the 100-air-mile exemption.
#7
10-26-2006, 02:49 PM
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Rawlco, the rule you quoted is only for vehicle that do not require a CDL to operate.
If the the truck is CDL then
(e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if: (e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location; (e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (e)(1)(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iii)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or (e)(1)(iv)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and (e)(1)(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(1)(v)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and (e)(1)(v)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the vehicle you drive requires a CDL then you may use a time sheet if you travel less than 100 air miles from your home terminal, no CDL then 150 mile radius (according to federal regs) assuming all other requirements are met. If you travel outside the area then you must have a log book. If you want to save some hassles then have a copy of your time sheet for the previous 7 days. Finally there is nothing in the regs that says you can not keep both a log book and a time sheet if you so wish.
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#8
10-26-2006, 03:22 PM
Re: log book help
Originally Posted by MT1993
It seems that I can't a 100% correct answer about log books. I drive for a moving company, very small, 2 trucks and one truck is local only, i do local and long distance. A great company so I'm not knocking them at all. I'd say that 98% of my driving is local, and very local. I leave the shop in the mornings and usually at the most have a 45 mile drive. I load the truck and have 2 guys that lump the item from the home. after loading we drive to the shippers new home and unload, almost always i the same day. My hours vary, I may have a 2 hour day one day and then a 12 hour day the next. Well I thought that if driving local like that i needed no log. Then I was stopped in IN. and shut down for 12 hours for not having a previous 7 days. She told me that if the truck leaves even for a mile I had to fill out a complete log. I am from Greenville, SC , and recently took a shipment to Charleston, SC, which is 200 miles from our shop. I was stopped at the weigh station there and had my log filled out nice and pretty. Well the guy checked all my paper work except my log, so I asked him why he didn't check it he told me that if i was driving in a 250 mile radius I didn't need to fill it out. And he a difference rather or not i was crossing state lines, which i didn't. So who is right? IN or SC? and was the guy in SC not worried about me because I am from the state? And if SC is right how do I have a previous 7 days?? please help and I'm sorry this is so long. by the way i drive a 26' straight truck that has a GVW of 32,000lbs
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#9
10-26-2006, 03:31 PM
Dang, wrong on all counts. Guess I had better read closely what I quote for regulations. :lol: Thank you for catching that Uturn.
------------------------------------ I guess that the official guidance trumps my interpretation of the rules Rev. I guess I misunderstood John Q. Public's take on this on Trucknet. (or perhaps he was wrong too :lol: ) Thank you for diging that up. Slow day in HHG?
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#10
10-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Uturn2001
Rawlco, the rule you quoted is only for vehicle that do not require a CDL to operate.
If the the truck is CDL then
(e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if: (e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location; (e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (e)(1)(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iii)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or (e)(1)(iv)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and (e)(1)(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(1)(v)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and (e)(1)(v)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the vehicle you drive requires a CDL then you may use a time sheet if you travel less than 100 air miles from your home terminal, no CDL then 150 mile radius (according to federal regs) assuming all other requirements are met. If you travel outside the area then you must have a log book. If you want to save some hassles then have a copy of your time sheet for the previous 7 days. Finally there is nothing in the regs that says you can not keep both a log book and a time sheet if you so wish. I don't see in these rules about mixing up when you qualify for local then go out of town , so if you mix them up keep the log book up to date and use line 4 for your local work. The big thing about laws is they are always open for interpretation!!
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