Preventable or Non Preventable? Help!
#11
10-03-2006, 10:28 PM
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What it sounds like to me is your carrier rather than stepping up to the plate and eating this one is trying to make you eat this one. I would call OOIDA or contact your atty fast at let them send them a note to them stateing 1 multiple trucks had the same problem at the same time at this one location that day and 2 since your saftey director is mailing his job in from the beach we will request a formal hearing on this matter. I had a accident in 1998 at first ruled preventable applkeaded it then ruled non preventable due to the fact that the NY state trooper commader stated that if you presist in calling this a preventable I WILL MAKE LIFE HELL FOR YOU COMPANIES TRUCKS. I hit a end loader tore filled with cement that had been put in the middle of the road sucker weighed 3000 lbs easy.
#12
10-04-2006, 01:59 PM
(d) Disqualification for railroad-highway grade crossing offenses. Table 3 to ?383.51 contains a list of the offenses and the periods for which a driver must be disqualified, when the driver is operating a CMV at the time of the violation, as follows:
Table 3 to ?383.51 (6) The driver fails to negotiate a crossing because of insufficient undercarriage clearance. No less than 60 days No less than 120 days No less than 1 year. Better see an attorney, if the conviction holds up he may be out of work for a while. Be safe.
#13
10-04-2006, 04:04 PM
Well that Statement of Yours makes me Really Wonder about your Truck driving Experience or Knowledge.
A "preventable" is NOT a "Conviction" PS-The Majority of us have the "Book" so you don't have to keep on Reciteing chapter and verse with your Copy and Paste jobs.
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#14
10-04-2006, 04:43 PM
Went to cross some tracks and did not hit tracks or anything. Here is the problem. He had a lift gate on the back of his truck which has some sort of box under the rear by the gate. The road surface itself was graded improperly.
I know this sounds weird but the best way to describe it is like the road came up and hit the box. It was the road surface itself. He did not hit a fixed object. There was not a pothole or anything. It was the grading of the asphalt. Some trucks made it fine. Right after his box hit a bed bugger got stuck there and he had nothing hanging down like my husband did. It wasn't even like a huge visible lump in the road or anything. Just weird grading. Anyway, now the company is saying the accident was preventable. My husband talked to a Georgia DOT training officer afterward and he said it was non preventable. Is it? How can my husband prove it? They want to put this on his record and suspend him for it.
Feel free to edit my post, I'm sure as a moderator you can do so. :roll: Be safe.
#15
10-04-2006, 04:57 PM
I don't "Edit" any posts.
If the Officer at the Scene described the Incident as Non-Preventable I think he has a Pretty good case when He goes to the Safety officer of the Company he drives for. Many companies have Review Boards consisting of Drivers and Officers within the Company and it's a bit like a Kangaroo court. Sorry if I mis-interpreted what you're trying to say but you're making it sound like a Criminal Offense.
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#16
10-05-2006, 02:44 AM
ok, i will try to clear it up. the best way to describe it is some idiot in an attempt to protect the rails graded the highway really high up around it. the way it is sloped a car can clear. a trucks length though causes it to bottom out. when you steers and drives are far past the tracks the grade is low but somewhere in the middle they made a hump. now imagine the front of your truck is low and your rear hasn't gone over the hump yet so it is the way your truck being so long is now sitting at a weird angle that causes the underbelly to scrape. like the other driver said kind of an inverted v.
#17
10-05-2006, 03:03 PM
I know of the kangaroo courts motor carriers hold regarding accident prevent-ability. I also know some carriers try and disqualify a driver from driving
Question 2: a. A motor carrier recently found a driver who had a detectable presence of alcohol, placed him off-duty in accordance with ?392.5, and ordered a blood test which disclosed a blood alcohol concentration of 0.05 percent. Is the carrier obligated to place the driver out of service for 24 hours as prescribed by ?392.5(c)?
b. Is the carrier obligated to disqualify the driver for a period of one year as prescribed by ?383.51(b) and 391.15(c)(3)(i) of the FMCSRs? Guidance: a. Only a State or Federal official can place a driver out of service. Instead, the carrier is obligated to place the driver off-duty and prevent him/her from operating or being in control of a CMV until he/she is no longer in violation of ?392.5. b. No. A motor carrier has no authority to disqualify a driver. Disqualification for such an offense only occurs upon a conviction. Be safe.
#18
10-05-2006, 03:08 PM
how and the world did you make the Leap to Traffic Citations when the Thread was about Scraping the Box going over railroad tracks when the Driver was Re-Routed?
MANY so-called "Preventables" aren't even worthy of a Ticket from the Police which this woman said her husband didn't even get. In Fact the Driver said the Police concerned it "Non-Preventable".
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#19
10-05-2006, 04:44 PM
Right after his box hit a bed bugger got stuck there and he had nothing hanging down like my husband did.
I am talking about a major truck accident (my husband isn't the only one out there having them) between 2 trucks that set a major fire, killing several people. He was diverted and wasn't familiar with that road. As well, he only knocked off his lift box or whatever. The bed-bugger got stuck and many others prior to and after apparently had similar problems and all without seeing the situation.
yoopr says:
If the Officer at the Scene described the Incident as Non-Preventable I think he has a Pretty good case when He goes to the Safety officer of the Company he drives for.
It wasn't even like a huge visible lump in the road or anything. Just weird grading. Anyway, now the company is saying the accident was preventable. My husband talked to a Georgia DOT training officer afterward and he said it was non preventable.
Is it? How can my husband prove it? They want to put this on his record and suspend him for it.
yoopr says:
how and the world did you make the Leap to Traffic Citations when the Thread was about Scraping the Box going over railroad tracks when the Driver was Re-Routed?
(d) [b]Disqualification for railroad-highway grade crossing offenses.]/b] Table 3 to ?383.51 contains a list of the offenses and the periods for which a driver must be disqualified, when the driver is operating a CMV at the time of the violation, as follows:
Table 3 to ?383.51 (6) The driver fails to negotiate a crossing because of insufficient undercarriage clearance. No less than 60 days No less than 120 days No less than 1 year.
MANY so-called "Preventables" aren't even worthy of a Ticket from the Police which this woman said her husband didn't even get.
In Fact the Driver said the Police concerned it "Non-Preventable".
My husband talked to a Georgia DOT training officer afterward and he said it was non preventable.
FYI, unless a truck is rear ended, there are very few exceptions where an accident is non-preventable. Defensive driving works wonders. Be safe.
#20
10-05-2006, 05:01 PM
Defensive driving works wonders.
yeah I know-I've got over 3 million miles without a "Chargeable" Not exactly talking to a kid new to the Block You're splitting hairs with this woman's husband's Incident. b]The driver fails to negotiate a crossing because of insufficient undercarriage clearance You're citing chapter and verse of Regs. that don't even pertain. Who Said her Husband "Failed to Negotiate the Crossing"?? He scratched the damn box
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