[firebird_1252]

windwalker.. i asked about 9 times the same question. he insisted that was fter all deductions.

[BoyNextDoor]

I had a 12.7 detroit in my 03 century. That thing isn't the first up the hill, but I sure enjoyed getting 6.5-7.5 on avarage. Miss those mileages now that I have the dual EGR volvo 12l engine. average 6.2, and even empty don't get anything better than 7.5 lol the detroit series 60 is a good engine, especially if it's rebuilt. If you take good care of it, It'll drive you well into a million miles.

[solo379]

Originally Posted by firebird_1252

windwalker.. i asked about 9 times the same question. he insisted that was fter all deductions.

The buddy of mine pulling from rail (not CSX), he works hard, some weeks he is making over 4 grand after fuel, grossed over 200 grand last year.....home every night.

[repete]

Originally Posted by allan5oh

I would probably go with the 379, probably offers the best fuel mileage. Would definitely be more reliable than the other 3 simply due to the lack of emissions equipment. Is it a 12.7 or 14.0L?

You may be right but, the others are all old tech as far as EGR goes. So simple and have a long history in the ECM. Don't rule them out just cause the EGR might be bad when you know the hood WILL effect mpg

[firebird_1252]

Originally Posted by solo379

The buddy of mine pulling from rail (not CSX), he works hard, some weeks he is making over 4 grand after fuel, grossed over 200 grand last year.....home every night.

now thats what i love to hear!

what would you suggest as far as the truck goes? the pete is totally rewired and rebuilt. i do like the 13 speed for going across hills if need be. i do like the 780, yet i hate front air-ride and i hear the trucks are super heavy. that leaves the columbia's that i dont mind. just built like crap.

[rank]

Originally Posted by repete

You may be right but, the others are all old tech as far as EGR goes. So simple and have a long history in the ECM. Don't rule them out just cause the EGR might be bad when you know the hood WILL effect mpg

Every truck we get gets worse mileage than the one it replaced. And don't get me started on poor reliability, repair expense and costs due to down time of the new engines. Hoods getting poor mileage is a myth as far as I'm concerned...at the very least, it's a mountain from a mole hill. Emissions does more to kill mileage than any "aero" package will ever make up for. Total cost of ownership on a well maintained "old" truck will be lower every time. Problem is always the hidden initial repairs on someone else's junk. If you pay $20,000 for what you think is a good 10-15 year old truck and put $20,000 into it in the first couple of years, you are still money ahead over a DPF truck. I will take a pre DPF truck every time and a pre EGR if I can find a good one.

[tracer]

Originally Posted by rank

Every truck we get gets worse mileage than the one it replaced.

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[RostyC]

Originally Posted by rank

Every truck we get gets worse mileage than the one it replaced. And don't get me started on poor reliability, repair expense and costs due to down time of the new engines. Hoods getting poor mileage is a myth as far as I'm concerned...at the very least, it's a mountain from a mole hill. Emissions does more to kill mileage than any "aero" package will ever make up for. Total cost of ownership on a well maintained "old" truck will be lower every time. Problem is always the hidden initial repairs on someone else's junk. If you pay $20,000 for what you think is a good 10-15 year old truck and put $20,000 into it in the first couple of years, you are still money ahead over a DPF truck. I will take a pre DPF truck every time and a pre EGR if I can find a good one.

Sometimes I swear you know what you're talking about. :lol:

20k a year (2 years) is about what I've spent on mine since I bought it.

[allan5oh]

Originally Posted by repete

You may be right but, the others are all old tech as far as EGR goes. So simple and have a long history in the ECM. Don't rule them out just cause the EGR might be bad when you know the hood WILL effect mpg

Yet even if the EGR is working perfectly I can promise you that pete with the pre-egr detroit will do better. Also, just because the EGR works fine now doesn't mean it will in the future.

[solo379]

Originally Posted by firebird_1252

now thats what i love to hear!

what would you suggest as far as the truck goes?

It's really hard to tell judging by the models if we are talking about used trucks. You got to look at particulars...But personally i wouldn't get anything made in 2004.....I mean first year after emission standard changed. Anyway, you got to take a personal approach and hope on your luck.