[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by VPIDarkAngel

As for the HHO deal, I've heard about it, and heard of folks getting good results, even though I still don't know how it's physically possible.

A lot of it is the placebo effect. People who install that crap are TRYING to get better fuel mileage, so after they install it, they pay more attention to the way they are driving.

The difference between 5 mpg and 6 mpg has less to do with the truck than it does the driver.

[SickRick]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

A lot of it is the placebo effect. People who install that crap are TRYING to get better fuel mileage, so after they install it, they pay more attention to the way they are driving.

The difference between 5 mpg and 6 mpg has less to do with the truck than it does the driver.

A couple of websites I've reviewed for the diesel version of this, also have literature that come with if describing "enhanced driving techniques to further improve fuel mileage".

Having run a highly boosted LS2 Corvette (14psi) I found the addition of a water/methanol spray into the intake air gave me fairly decent power gains - more due to the cooling effect on the intake air charge, then the octane value of the methanol.

I really doubt this "Hydrogen Generator" (which separates O2 and H2 through electrolysis - remember Junior High science class?) produces enough hydrogen to be of either cooling OR fueling value. There has (to date) NEVER BEEN A METHOD that uses LESS ENERGY TO PRODUCE the hydrogen fuel, than the ENERGY VALUE of the FUEL THAT WAS PRODUCED. If only Morgan Freeman hadn't killed that scientist in that movie with Keanuu Reeves (Chain Reaction), maybe Neo could have found the secret to cheap energy.

The rest of us just have to ante up $2.70 (average) at the pump, shift at the proper time, minimize downshifts, stay out of the pedal, keep out tires properly inflated and all that other happy crap that helps maximize our fuel mileage. Then again, if a $200 device "psyches" people into being better operators and it saves fuel - WTF is $200 anyway?

Rick

[BigDiesel]

Originally Posted by skrissel

Hello Ya'll,

Just curious if anyone else is using a hydrogen generator on their truck. I have been experimenting one of my trucks for a while. I'm amazed (and excited) about the increase in fuel mileage that I'm getting.

The truck is a 2003 Freightliner Columbia, with a 14L detroit. It has always been a pig on fuel. My quarterly IFTA MPG calculations have been between 4.9 and 5.3. The most recent Hydrogen generator that I have installed is by far the best. For 20k miles I have been getting between 6.25 and 6.95.

I'm about to install my second unit soon. This time it will be on a Cummins. I hope to get the same results.

-scott

Is this another kevin rutherford scam ???? Like the turdblow 3000 he snake oils..... or the atbs scam ????

[Maniac]

A lot of it is the placebo effect. People who install that crap are TRYING to get better fuel mileage, so after they install it, they pay more attention to the way they are driving.

The difference between 5 mpg and 6 mpg has less to do with the truck than it does the driver.

Give the man a cigar !



When you start seeing this stuff endorsed by the large mega carriers, then MAYBE you might be able to believe it, till then you have a better shot winning the powerball.

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Give the man a cigar !



When you start seeing this stuff endorsed by the large mega carriers, then MAYBE you might be able to believe it, till then you have a better shot winning the powerball.

It seems there is one carrier that IS using them...

"We're saving $700 a month per truck on fuel," said Sherwin Fast, president of Great Plains Trucking in Salina, Kansas. The company tried the HFI system on four trucks and has ordered 25 more.

I've heard of this before. The company in Canada, that makes them, starts them off in the neighborhood of about $14,000 each. You'd have to get a pretty good return on investment in order to justify one. But read the article, and it seems that someone figures it works.

Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power

I figured I'd get the materials together, try it out on my car, and see what kind of results I get. For that matter, run "HYDROGEN POWERED TRUCKS" through GOOGLE and you get all sorts of results. Until then, I can't say one way or the other. But I can't see a company president spending that kind of money on a whim. Unless he's getting one hell of a "KICK-BACK".

[skrissel]

Originally Posted by repete

I find it hard to believe that a 14'' cube of water with 25 amps passing thru it would produce enough gas to make a differance in MPG or power for a v6 gas engine let alone a big deisal. How much gas does it produce? Without knowing the output of your generator there's now way to do a compareison.
But I do have one question, Why are you only getting 6mpg?

I agree, it does not seem possible. I have enough miles both with and without the system to know that its not just a fluke. It really does make a difference.

This truck has always been a pig on fuel, Can't figure out why. It does idle 10-14 hours a day when its on the road, so that's a large factor to the poor mileage.

-scott

[skrissel]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

It doesn't increase you a full mpg. They don't produce enough hydrogen to do so.

Rev,

I have seen a true increase in MPG on this truck. Have you installed a similar system and not had good results? Please explain.

Thanks!

-scott

[skrissel]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Give the man a cigar !



When you start seeing this stuff endorsed by the large mega carriers, then MAYBE you might be able to believe it, till then you have a better shot winning the powerball.

This company (not the system I'm using) says that they units installed for Coke and Centrex (cement company) here in Atlanta....

Hydrogen Generator | HHO Generator | MagDrive Fuel From H2o

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by skrissel

Rev,

I have seen a true increase in MPG on this truck.

I still say it's placebo effect. You WANT to get better fuel mileage, so you're driving differently and accomplishing that. Any "technology" that relies on anecdotal evidence to prove that it works likely isn't legitimate technology. Show me the science behind it, done in a controlled environment to prove a 1 mpg increase from some baking soda, water, and electricity.

[skrissel]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

I still say it's placebo effect. You WANT to get better fuel mileage, so you're driving differently and accomplishing that. Any "technology" that relies on anecdotal evidence to prove that it works likely isn't legitimate technology. Show me the science behind it, done in a controlled environment to prove a 1 mpg increase from some baking soda, water, and electricity.

Rev,

You can say what you want, I have actual data and your are stating your opinion.

The truck that it's installed on is not the truck that I drive, so it's not likely that the driver has changed his driving habbits. I have discussed that with him, 90% of the time he uses the cruise control. The truck has a 10 speed autoshift, so the shift points are constant.

-scott