Yet again you are wrong......:lol2:

We use CFN and Pacific Pride, plenty of savings with either.... also my drivers are issued a company AMEX.......:zzz: including another driver I am bringing on, so I can get out of the truck.................... Its funny.... didn't need to advertise the opening for a run of the mill dweller either....

Again it comes back to rates, revenue and net profit........ Not the cash flow mirage most dwellers think is profit.....

If you set your rates high enough you wouldn't need to dance thru those hoops....

Let's say you have 3 trucks. Each truck runs 100,000 miles a year. Each truck gets 6mpg. Lets say with some smart planning you can get 20 cents off a gallon of fuel. That 20 cents will be 100% pure profit of $10,000. You would clearly have to be a fool to think that matters. I mean what owner in their right mind would want an extra 10k in YOUR pocket?

I have not used a load board or a broker in over a decade nor am I leased on with anyone.I have my own authority and own contracts. I do agree with you that it is all about rates revenue and net profit but fail to understand where you think fuel does not play into that. Profit is a variable that YOU can control and I would argue should.

Once again, you are 100% correct.

A friend of mine just leased on to a carrier and is getting a good discount on his fuel at TA. He saved about $0.40 or $0.50/gallon at one stop.

hee hee

We were leased to a carrier that offered fuel pricing a few years ago. The savings were determined by the number of truck from that carrier (o/o or company driver- didn't matter) at THAT truck stop. Not at any TA or any Petro, but if 5 trucks fueled at the SAME TA that day they got a good discount on the fuel.

Flying J offered no discount.

When we left that company and leased to a carrier with no fuel program, we found that Flying J tended to have the best pricing when you don't get a group rate. Not always- you can find a spot here or there where another truck stop has a better fuel price and the fuel prices being so high kind of made things even out a bit.

We've been pretty well dedicated Flying Jers for years now.

A little off topic, but still.

I remember when I was leased to Landstar several years back that they offered some discounts at TA if you used their fuel card. At that time I came out about as well at the Flying J even after my fuel discounts. Perhaps they are getting deeper discounts now than they did back then. We didn't have a fuel surcharge to cushion the high cost of fuel. I don't care much for Flying J but they do seem to offer the best fuel prices for the owner operator or smaller operator. Flying J does offer discounts on fuel based upon the number of gallons you purchase during the course of a month.