APU
#11
12-29-2006, 12:48 PM
I would keep your eyes open for state Grant money. A few states are now giving out grant money to help offset the costs.
Also I believe that most APU's are a joke. I agree you dont need a 425 hp AC unit, however after averaging out the fuel consumption, one of our N14's isnt far behind the RigMaster that was to replace it. I am very disappointed that such a little engine doesnt get better fuel consumption than it does. If I calculaed it correctly, it saved about 18% on fuel, which would be good if it was 72% the size of an N14 or ISX, however its not, to me it should be getting much better fuel consumption that it does, and I have confirmed this with other fleets as well. I honestly dont feel fuel savings would justify a 7-10k investment. Now add in wear and tear and maintanence on the engine, your getting somewhere. Throw in the fact that in many states your not allowed to idle unless in extreme weather, we dont have much of a choice. Funny 32 degress in some states is legal to idle, however 33 degrees is not. Im sorry but id be a tad bit uncomfortable with 33 degree weather and no heat. Its coming to it, I would say in the very near future...it will be an added necessity rather than an option or add on.
#12
12-29-2006, 02:58 PM
Its coming to it, I would say in the very near future...it will be an added necessity rather than an option or add on.
I say that maybe 2 or 3 years the APU will be illegal, WHY? because Delaware has already banned them, and California says a diesel is a diesel is a diesel. The new 2007 engines burn cleaner than the APU's they sell right now, SO in Californias eyes the APU is a polluter, and you watch them ban it, and then the other states will do the same, besides, whats the difference between the 2, ever park next to a truck with an APU running? Doesn't smell real good. Let me ask you all a question, lets say you got your APU on and your sleeping, and a cop wakes you up and tells you "there is NO IDLING here" and you tell him " its my APU" and he says " I don't care what it is, there is NO IDLING here", "that means NO engines running,..... now turn it off or I'll write you up" There goes an $8000.00 investment. You won't be seeing one on my truck anytime soon.
#13
01-02-2007, 04:29 AM
I have the TK and it was a nightmare at first because of the install was done as poorly as it could be.It is a good unit if it is put on right and as far as the price goes ,shop around.Dunn,NC or Fargo,ND are two of the best install and price dealers you will find.
Before you buy walk by a Rigmaster and the Carrier unit and listen to them scream,it will talk you right out of it if you intend on sleeping in your truck.I know I have moved my parking spot on a lot more than one occaission when one of those rattle traps was next to me.Those engines are turning at well over 3,000 rpm's constantly while the TK unit spins about half the rev's and only runs when it's called for.It is simple math to me if it spins less than half the time of the others it should last more than twice as long.
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#14
01-02-2007, 08:05 AM
Originally Posted by Maniac
Its coming to it, I would say in the very near future...it will be an added necessity rather than an option or add on.
I say that maybe 2 or 3 years the APU will be illegal, WHY? because Delaware has already banned them, and California says a diesel is a diesel is a diesel. http://www.dnrec.state.de.us/dnrec20....asp?PRID=2302 As for California, I believe all they have said is that APU's must be carb certified, which all newer ones will be.
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#15
01-02-2007, 11:20 AM
I recently had the mispleasure of spending four days in Portland Or waiting on some frieght. I filled up the truck at the Jubitz, and ran my APU for the four days I was there. Just for the fun of it, I filled up again when leaving. 18 gl was all could get in there! Do the math on that one!
Granted, it's not the best unit on the market, (Frigette 12 volt w/single cylinder Kubota), but I've put over 6,000hrs on it, and it's paid for itself several times over no question about it!
#17
01-07-2007, 09:54 PM
What I think is funny is most of these laws deal with cold weather exemptions when heat is the bigger killer. I believe there is a loophole to all of these laws, take a pet with you. Most city, county and states have laws against leaving an animal in a hot vehicle, to hell with the driver.
I got this info from OOIDA ARIZONA Maricopa County Time limit 5 minutes Fines $100 first violation $300 second violation Exemptions Traffic or adverse weather conditions Emergency or law enforcement purposes Power takeoff involving cargo or work functions Conform to manufacturers specifications Maintenance or diagnostics HOS compliance CALIFORNIA Statewide Time limit 5 minutes Fines Minimum $100 Exemptions Resting in sleeper berth beyond 100 feet of residential units (exemption ends January 2008) Traffic conditions Queuing beyond 100 feet of residential units Adverse weather conditions or mechanical difficulties Vehicle safety inspection Service or repair Power takeoff involving cargo or work functions Prevent safety or health emergency Emergency vehicles City of Sacramento Time limit 5 minutes Prohibits reefer operation within 100 feet of residential or school areas unless loading or unloading Fines Not less than $100 and not more than $25,000 per violation Exemptions Traffic conditions/control Traffic conditions Vehicle safety inspection Service or repair Conform to manufacturers specifications Power takeoffs involving cargo or work functions Prevent safety or health emergency HOS compliance at truck/rest stop Placer County (NE of Sacramento) Time limit 5 minutes Prohibits reefer operation within 100 feet of residential or school areas unless loading or unloading Fines $50 minimum Exemptions Traffic conditions/control Traffic conditions Vehicle safety inspection Service or repair Conform to manufacturers specifications Power takeoffs involving cargo or work functions Prevent safety or health emergency HOS compliance at truck/rest stop Operate intermittent equipment Attainment areas (air meets EPA quality standards) COLORADO City of Aspen Time limit 5 minutes within any 1 hour Fines $1,000 maximum and/or 1 year imprisonment Exemptions Safety reasons To achieve an engine temperature of 120 F and an air pressure of 100 lbs/square inch City and County of Denver Time limit 10 minutes in any 1-hour period Fines Not more than $999 and/or 1 year imprisonment Exemptions Less than 20 F for previous 24-hour period Less than 10 F Emergency vehicles Traffic conditions Being serviced Auxiliary equipment CONNECTICUT Statewide Time limit 3 minutes Fines Not more than $5,000 per week Exemptions Traffic conditions or mechanical difficulties Ensure safety or health of driver/passengers Auxiliary equipment Conform to manufacturers specifications Less than 20 F Maintenance Queuing to access military installation DELAWARE Statewide Time limit 3 minutes 15 minutes if 32 F to minus 10 F No limit if less than minus 10 F Fines $50-$500 per offense Exemptions Traffic conditions or mechanical difficulties Conform to manufacturers specs Repair Emergency vehicles Using auxiliary equipment/power takeoff Power during sleeping or resting beyond 25 miles of truck stop with available electrified equipment Vehicle safety inspections GEORGIA City of Atlanta Time limit 15 minutes 25 minutes if below 32 F Fines $500 minimum Exemptions To perform needed work Traffic conditions Natural gas or electric vehicles HAWAII Statewide Time limit 3 minutes for start up/cool down Fines $25-$2,500 per day Exemptions Adjustment or repair Auxiliary equipment or power takeoff ILLINOIS Statewide Time limit Cannot leave running unattended Fines Not more than $500 Exemptions None Chicago and East St. Louis Time limit 10 minutes per hour while stationary 30 minutes per hour while waiting to weigh, load or unload Fines $50 for first offense $150 for subsequent offenses in 12-month period Exemptions Waiting in a line of vehicles that regularly and periodically moves forward Less than 32 F More than 80 F Operation of defrosters, heaters, air conditioners, or other equipment necessary to prevent a safety or health emergency Use of auxiliary equipment required to accomplish the intended use of the vehicle, such as controlling cargo temperature, loading, unloading or mixing MARYLAND Statewide Time limit 5 minutes Fines Not less than $500 Exemptions Traffic conditions or mechanical difficulties Heating, cooling and auxiliary equipment Conform to manufacturers specifications MASSACHUSETTS Statewide Time limit 5 minutes Fines Not less than $100 for first offense Not more than $500 for each succeeding offense Exemptions Being serviced Delivery for which power is needed and alternatives unavailable Associate power needed and alternatives unavailable MINNESOTA City of Minneapolis Time limit None in residential areas from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., including reefers Fines $700 maximum and/or 90 days imprisonment Exemptions Permitted construction equipment Compliance with traffic signals or signs Emergency or law enforcement purposes City of Owatonna Time limit 5 minutes each 5 hours in residential areas Fines $1,000 maximum and/or 90 days imprisonment Exemptions None City of St. Cloud Time limit 5 minutes, West Germain St. from 8th to 10th Ave. Fines Not more than $200 Exemptions None MISSOURI City of St. Louis Time limit 10 minutes Fines up to $500 and/or up to 90 days in jail Exemptions Emergency vehicles NEVADA Statewide Time limit 15 minutes Fines $100-$500 for first offense $500-$1,000 for second offense $1,000-$1,500 for third offense $1,500-$2,500 for fourth and more offenses 3 years Exemptions Variance has been issued Emergency vehicles Snow removal equipment Repair or maintain other vehicles Traffic congestion Maintenance at repair facility Emission contained and treated per control officer To perform specific task Clark County Time limit 15 minutes Fines Not more than $10,000 Exemptions Variance has been issued Emergency vehicles Repair or maintain other vehicles Traffic congestion Emission contained and treated per control officer To perform a specific task Maintenance at repair facility Washoe County Time limit 15 minutes Fines Not more than $250 for first offense Not less than $250 or more than $500 for subsequent offenses Exemptions Emergency vehicles Snow removal equipment Repair or maintain other vehicles Traveling on public right-of-way To perform specific task Maintenance at repair facility NEW HAMPSHIRE Statewide Time limit 5 minutes if more than 32 F 15 minutes if 32 F to -10 F Fines To be determined Exemptions Traffic conditions Emergency vehicles Power takeoff Maintenance or diagnostics Defrost windshield Less than 10 F NEW JERSEY Statewide Time limit 3 minutes 15 minutes if stopped for more than 3 hours 30 minutes if permanently assigned Fines $200 for first offense $400 for second offense $1,000 for third offense $3,000 for subsequent offenses Exemptions Traffic conditions To perform needed work Waiting or being inspected Emergency vehicles Being repaired Connecting, detaching or exchanging trailers Sleeping or resting in a sleeper-berth in non-residential zone unless equipped with auxiliary heating/cooling NEW YORK Statewide Time limit 5 minutes Fines Not less than $375 or more than $15,000 for first offense Not more than $22,500 for subsequent offenses Exemptions Traffic conditions Auxiliary power or maintenance Emergency vehicles Within mines or quarries Parked for more than 2 hours and less than 25 F State inspections Farm vehicles New Rochelle Time limit 5 minutes Fines Up to $375 and/or 15 days in jail for first offense Up to $100 and/or 45 days in jail for second offense within 18 months Up to $250 and/or 90 days in jail for subsequent offenses within 18 months Exemptions Traffic conditions Auxiliary power or maintenance Emergency vehicles Within mines or quarries Parked for more than 2 hours and less than 25 F State inspections Farm vehicles New York City Time limit 3 minutes Fines $50-$500 and/or 20 days jail time for first offense $100-$1,000 and/or up to 30 days jail time for second $400-$5,000 and/or up to 4 months for subsequent offenses Exemptions Emergency vehicles Operate loading, unloading or processing device PENNSYLVANIA Allegheny County Time limit 5 minutes 20 minutes per hour if less than 40 F or more than 75 F Fines Warning for first offense $100 for second offense $500 for subsequent offenses Exemptions Traffic conditions Queuing Cool down/warm up per manufacturers recommendations Sleeping/resting in truck Safety inspections Ensure safe operation Emergency vehicles Power accessory or service equipment Repair or diagnostics City of Philadelphia Time limit 2 minutes except on layovers 5 minutes if less than 32 F 20 minutes if less than 20 F Fines $300 Exemptions None RHODE ISLAND Statewide Time limit 5 consecutive minutes in any 60-minute period Fines Up to $100 for first offense Up to $500 for subsequent offenses Exemptions Traffic Required by law to stop Operating defrosting, heating or cooling equipment for the health or safety of the driver or passengers Operate auxiliary equipment Maintenance or inspection Auxiliary power units TEXAS Cities of Austin, Bastrop, Elgin, Lockhart, Round Rock and San Marcos; Counties of Bastrop, Caldwell, Hays, Travis and Williamson Time limit 5 minutes April-October Fines Varies by jurisdiction Exemptions 14,000 lbs GVW or less Traffic conditions Emergency or law enforcement To perform needed work Maintenance or diagnostics Defrost windshield HOS compliance UTAH Statewide Time limit Cannot leave running unattended Fines Not more than $750 and/or not more than 90 days imprisonment Exemptions None Salt Lake City Time limit 15 minutes Fines Up to $1,000 and/or no more than 6 months jail time for first offense Up to $2,500 and/or not more than 1 year jail time for subsequent offenses within 2 years Exemptions Reefer unit if more than 500 feet from any residence To heat/cool sleeper-berth if more than 500 feet from any residence Emergency vehicles VIRGINIA Statewide Time limit 10 minutes in commercial or residential urban areas Fines Not more than $25,000 Exemptions Auxiliary power District of Columbia Citywide Time limit 3 minutes 5 minutes if less than 32 F Fines $500 Doubles for each subsequent violation Exemptions Power takeoff This report is a compilation of information from the American Trucking Research Institute (updated August 2005), EPA and California Air Resources Board. This information is intended to be a general overview and may not be complete. It should not be relied upon as a complete source of state, county and local restriction
#18
01-08-2007, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumbo
Look into the thermoking brand also. If they are good enough for walmart
they can't be all bad. And you can get them worked on at any T.K. dealership. Just my 2c's |
