No Worries.....we are in and out of CA 2-3 times a week. Rates out of the state seem to be good. In state not so great. I had felt that running in state was not good use of available miles per day to drive. Do you....or any of you have a certain number of miles you try to drive each day? How about night driving vs. daytime? GMan....how many years have you been driving? How do you stay so well informed....are there classes or seminars? Do most of you manage your own billing and collecting as well? I'm turning in my bid tomorrow on the job I asked about earlier. I feel good about it. Wish me luck. Thanks for all your help.