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11-25-2006, 02:28 PM
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The way those spec sheets work is you start with a base truck with no upgrades, with it's price and weight.
As you ad upgrades like the bigger engine... it ads cost and weight to the base or generic truck. That's the figures your seeing, Cost and weight over a stock engine.
edit: The zero's represent a standard part included with the base truck, with no increase in weight or price.
My C-15 was 719 lbs over for an 01 model...pre Acert. My sheet doesn't show the cost, but they have gone way up it looks like.
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11-25-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby
The way those spec sheets work is you start with a base truck with no upgrades, with it's price and weight.
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That makes sense. That's the good thing about these boards, You can learn something.
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That engine price is hard to believe. It can easily cost more than that for an in-frame. If that is all they cost, then it would be better to just throw the old engine away and buy a new one to drop in when you need a new engine.
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Kinda like those new free radiators Solo379 and I are looking for :lol: :lol:
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11-25-2006, 03:54 PM
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It will also show a savings in weigh. Aluminum wheels on my sheet (24.5's) showed a minus 46lbs front and minus 184lbs rear over the standard steel wheels for example.
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Hopefully I don't get flammed for this one but here goes....
Bigger Motors get BETTER fuel economy.
That C-13 will be working it's exhaust pipe off to make those numbers.
The C-15 set that low will barely be working.
Now I drive conservatively with a C-15 rated at 550hp with 4.11 rears and an 18speed and get 7mpg all day and night.
I don't know how much a C-13 costs now a days but the spec sheet in front of me for my new truck (should have it in a week or two) says the C-15 weighs 941 pounds and the line item cost is $12,874
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At my work about 3 months ago they turned up the power on our tractors and we actually get better fuel mileage. Here in Reno most of our line runs are going over mountains 80 & 395 or pulling heavy sets of triples.
Now coming home from Sacramento I just get passed by most other rather than all.
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11-26-2006, 12:15 PM
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I was getting exited there for a moment, I was gonna order one for my lawn tractor :lol: :lol: :lol:
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According to Cat's web site these 2 engines weigh:
Cat C13 Cat C15
2270 lbs. 2890 lbs.
Some posts here referred to much smaller numbers.
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Originally Posted by 60363
According to Cat's web site these 2 engines weigh:
Cat C13 Cat C15
2270 lbs. 2890 lbs.
Some posts here referred to much smaller numbers.
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Once again, neighbor , it was just the difference, between "base" and "optinal"! :wink:
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Re: Cat C13 vs Cat C15: why pay more?
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Cat C13, Multi-torque
80,000 lb GVW
430-hp, 1550/1750 lb-ft
1325 rpm @ 65 mph
Cat C15, Multi-Torque
80,000 lb GVW
435-hp, 1550/1750 lb-ft
1325 rpm @ 65 mph
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What's missing is the RPM of the HP and TQ peaks. Also, the c13 might have the same tq and hp, but they may be more "peaky". The c15 will have what drag racers call "more power under the curve".
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Peak torque for both C13 and C15 in these configurations is the same: 1,200 rpm.
BUT: C13 with 430 hp and 1550/1750 lb-ft of torque shows TORQUE RISE as 44%/63%; its maximum HP is 445; while C15 with 435 hp shows TORQUE RISE as 43%/61% and its maximum HP is 450.
Cat C13 with 470 hp 1,650 lb-ft of torque has 40% TORQUE RISE.
Cat C15 with 475 hp 1,650 lb-ft of torque has 39% TORQUE RISE.
As you can see there's no big difference still.
But:
Cat C15 500 hp 1850 lb-ft of torque has ... 56% TORQUE RISE.
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A buddy of mine used to own a truck with the C13 @ 430HP and said he constantlly got around 5.5 to 6mpg now he has the same truck just with a C15 @ 435HP and gets 6 to 7mpg.
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