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Old 08-07-2013, 07:47 PM
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Default The changing industry #2 the real truth told here! Gman and twilight flyer read!

ORIGNAL QUOTE FROM A RECRUITER:
I was reading through a job searching post a little earlier from a driver with a pretty long list of "must have's" and it got me to thinking. The driver's first paragraph had me wondering why he didn't have a job. He seemed pretty solid, good history and experience, no driving issues. On paper, he looked golden and most companies should be moving quickly to snap him up. Then I got to his second paragraph with all the "must have's" and I realized why he was still looking. At first, I was simply going to roll my eyes and move on. Then I thought about PMing him with some constructive advice, before finally settling on something straight out to everyone because it seems to come up over and over again.

So here you go. What I am about to write is pretty even-keeled, non-emotional, and based on facts. Take it as you wish. It's long and while I am basically posting to the OTR crowd, it could just as easily apply to local guys.

That said...

First of all, I'm a recruiter. I get paid by salary, so I don't have a dog in the pay-by-hire race. I've been doing this here for nearly seven years and have seen my share of changes. I like this industry and I know this industry because I pay attention. But even before entering this industry, I've been involved in a management or human resources aspect of business since entering the work force back in the mid 80's, so I'm not talking out of my azz.

The bottom line is simple...if you are looking for a job, any job, you look for a job that will meet maybe 70% of your "requirements" and then deal with the remainder. There is no perfect company out there for anyone, period, not even a union gig. If the company is not for you, move on and find one that closer matches what you are looking for. If you cannot find one that does, then perhaps you are looking for or asking for too much and it would behoove you to re-evaluate your demands. But by all means, do NOT lay a list of those demands at the feet of a potential employer. Find out what they have and mentally calculate if it's what you want. If you phrase your wish list and must haves as demands, that's the quickest way to get shown the door with a polite or not-so-polite "you're not for us."

Now, what about your must have's? Let me tell you why your must have's will get you passed by.

"I'm looking for a long-haul job. I want to run coast-to-coast and none of that short haul crap."

Most companies are moving toward eliminating long haul runs and going more to the short to medium haul freight. That's where the money is. Technically, it's been where the money has been for a long time. It's just that in today's market with fuel being what it is, the profit margin for long hauls has completely vanished.

"I want a long-nosed Pete."

If you've been paying attention to fleet changes, you're seeing a lot of major companies going with the shorter nosed fuel-efficient tractors if they're not already there. Those smaller companies with long-nosed tractors are simply going out of business because they are failing to adapt.

"I want to be able to run the speed limit."

Most fleet trucks today are governed and that is at one set speed across the board, not for specific states and areas. And most of the major companies have already scaled back their trucks to 60 and 62. It's to the point now that 65 is a fast truck. Another 6 months and people won't know what an ungoverned truck is anymore. Get used to getting passed. And save the argument that it's not safe...that argument doesn't wash, period. It's proven safer and the cost savings is enormous. As long as a governed truck meets the minimum speed limit (usually 45) of the road, then the safety of the 4-wheeling public falls to Joe Motorist to slow down when coming up on a slower moving truck. Period.

"My truck must have an APU."

Granted, it would be nice for all trucks to eventually have APUs and perhaps someday we'll be there as an industry. But APU's are still a wild card. Several states have banned them and/or considering banning them. Most of the larger companies are taking a wait and see approach until they know what the eventual standard is going to be. By the same token, though, if a company doesn't have APU's on their truck, their idling policy needs to be along the lines of "use common sense."

"I need to take my dog Scooter with me."

Pet policies will soon be a thing of the past. Most companies are getting rid of pet policies due to the excessive idling that is needed to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for said 4-legger when you are not in the truck... ie. showering, eating, playing video poker, etc.

"I must be able to use an inverter. I can't afford to eat out all the time."

Inverters are another animal. A few companies still accept them, but that is a dwindling list. The fire hazard that inverters create have pushed a lot of companies to banning them outright. On top of that, there is a pretty big liability involved, too. If a company still allows them and has their shop install them, there is still that human element. If a shop-installed inverter malfunctions and burns the truck to the ground with the driver in it, they might as well hand over a blank check to the family of the dead driver.

As to the issue of not being able to afford to eat out all the time, go buy a 12V cooler. I know a lot of guys that go that route, pack it with the basics every week and then eat healthy and well the entire time they are out on the road. If you want an inverter for your microwave, George Foreman grill, coffee-maker, Belgian waffle maker, and espresso machine, go buy your own truck.

"I don't do the northeast."

New England freight is at a premium...New York freight even better in most cases. Some companies stay out of NYC as much as possible, but even the smaller companies recognize that there will sometimes be runs up there that pay a pretty penny. And as far as the northeast goes, if you don't want to do it, don't live anywhere near it and look for a regional run that will keep you out.

"I'm not interested in forced dispatch."

More and more companies are going to forced dispatch if they are not already there. Why? Because companies make money and earn bigger and better contracts by being on time with their deliveries. In a JITD dominated world, on-time delivery is a company's biggest and best bargaining chip. Personally, I think everyone should be a forced dispatch and it's probably not going to be that much longer before everyone is forced dispatch. Companies are going to want to know the driver that is WORKING for them, is going to cover their freight. As a driver, you're there to do a job, period.

"I do not go to Canada. It's too much of a hassle."

You would be right in that Canada is a major hassle and a lot of companies have stopped hauling Canadian freight because of that. That said, though, a few companies still do and if you hire on to one of those companies, you'll be expected to haul where they tell you to.

"I'm a driver, not a lumper."

Once more, if lumping the occassional load is part of the job description, then expect to do the job when asked. The only people that consistently lump freight are a lot of the LTLers and local day-cabbers. Most of the regional and OTR gigs will have the occassional fingerprint load, but not a lot.

"I don't run at night, period."

Then you should not be driving a truck. In the first place, driving at night is preferrable to driving during the day. There's less traffic and fewer idiots on the road. It's generally less stressful. Still, some people cannot drive at night...I'm one of those. Doesn't matter how much sleep I have, right around midnight, I'm going to be out. Still, if you can't drive at night, it might be time to hang it up as a truck driver. Companies have night driving. It's part of the nature of the beast. Ask around, but good luck finding a company that does zero night driving.

"I have to have my wife, spouse, 3 children, and/or great grandmother with me at all times."

I'm not against rider policies, but when you are driving for a company, you're there to do your job. Most companies have rider policies that kick in after a certain amount of time; few have policies that are immediate. But don't expect to pack up your family for an extended vacation. When you're driving your truck, you're not on vacation. You're working.

"I homeschool my child on the truck and won't work for anyone that won't allow me to."

Contact child protective services and tell them that. At the risk of opening up yet another huge debate on the subject, the truck is not a home. It is not a suitable environment to raise a child. Sure, it's great to take your child out for short periods of time, but the operative word there should be "short". If you have no one to watch your child, then it's time to get off the road for while.
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Those are a few of the must-have's and reasons why they will get you nowhere. I'm certain there are more but it should be real clear that when looking for a job, don't make demands of a potential employer. You don't own the company...someone else does. A company is not going to change their policies because of your demands. Instead, they'll chuckle at you and forget about you. So do your homework when searching for a job. Understand that there is no perfect company out there and that you are going to have to make concessions, no matter where you go.

There have been some of the most significant changes ever in the industry over even the last year. In the very recent past, it was a driver's market. Driver's could pick and choose any one of hundreds of different companies and if they got pissed off about something, all they had to do was pick up the phone and move to the next one.

It's not like that anymore. You can't keep up with the number of companies going out of business today. For every major company like Jevic or JDC or WH Transportation or Rush that simply abruptly locks the doors, there are thousands of the smaller outfits that are also folding, but don't make the news. Fuel is not going to go down by any signficant amount to save companies that are on the edge. Companies that are still in business and hiring are doing so by going through operational changes in order to survive what is bar-none the most difficult time ever in the industry. And they also have the luxury of picking through thousands of qualified drivers to fill a precious few slots. Those drivers that are going to get hired are going to be those drivers that are going to do the job they were hired to do.

I am not, nor have I ever, advocated for a driver to be a doormat for a company. But you are also an employee of said company and as an employee, you are expected to do the job you were hired to do, even if you don't like it at times. If that means you have to help lump a load, then you lump it. If that means you have to run a load at night, then you run it...providing, of course, you can do so legally.

It's a fine line you will skate as a driver today and we definitely don't live in a perfect world. Unfortunately, some companies or dispatchers might look at it as an opportunity to take advantage of a driver because they know the driver's choices are limited. But by and large, those will be the exception to the rule. Understand the flip side to that, though. The company hired you to do a job. If it doesn't violate rules or laws, then do the job they hired you to do. If you don't like it, there's always buying your own truck.

MY OPONION:
First off I would rather poke my eyes out with razor blades and jump off a bridge than listen to a recruiter! Regardless if your salary or paid on commission you are still required to produce at your job! That means if you don’t fill seats at your company's weekly orientation, because of its high turn over you get fired! Are you listening Super Recruiter? I’ve been trucking for 20 years and consider myself to be a professional driver and my record proves it! So no point in me marking out and proving to you jobbers what kind of driver I am. Most experienced drivers like me either go local or end up buying or leasing a truck. It's near impossible to find a good OTR driver position for an experienced (Company) driver. Mr. Super Recruiter says "that drivers should be happy if maybe 70% of our needs our met and we should deal with the rest". That sounds like a raw deal to an experienced driver when he or she spends 95% of his or her life on the truck and gives a 100% to their job. So we give 100% and the company gives "maybe" 70% its obvious who’s gonna profit from that? Sounds like a game of Russian Roulette to me. What upsets me more is the fact that you so called drivers agree with him! Gman says on 06-05-08 "Good post TF. I am hopeful that this slowdown will help us to get rid of some of the bad drivers we have been plagued for so many years". Gman you’re a poser! How can you be trucking when you spend all your time on here, pretending to be something your not! Do you know how many people lost their jobs, homes, and future due to the recession? And you’re on her quoted saying you are hopeful for the slow down? Choke on those words Gman. This industry isn’t plagued by bad drivers its plagued by scams, bottom feeding companies, lying recruiters, and thousand of adds how new inexperienced drivers will make 50,000 their first year. The industry is changing, and its not because of the price of fuel! Truckers have been complaining about fuel prices since the 1970's. The industry is changing because these large companies are undercutting the price of freight and everyone is hurting because of it. A large company who will remain nameless last year showed a turnover rate of 125%! They turned over their entire company one and quarter times last year. Since when has it been a crime to speak your mind? We live in a society full of losers and sissies who are scared to speak their minds! What is wrong with a driver coming on to a forum and stating what he wants out of a job? This isn’t a Court of Law Gman! It’s a stupid forum that you take too seriously! Frankly if everyone had balls and a backbone like that driver who spoke his mind this industry wouldn’t treat drivers the way it does! To sum things up Super Recruiter get back in your office, and do what you do best, lie and fill up seats at orientation. And Gman get off of cad, get on the truck get a couple hundred thousand miles and maybe I will call you a driver! I’m out!
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:57 PM
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you really started off on the wrong foot, by coming here with a beef, to burn a couple well loved Icons.


We do like the straight no nonsense talk here, but you are coming straight out of the blue, with an attitude maybe you could explain to the members.


GMAN and Twilight have participated in thousands of posts over the years with us, not to mention both gentlemen have selflessly served this community for years.


We've discussed all these issues you bring up, but like you mentioned, things change with the times, and we have to adapt.
You made some good points, despite your over-inflated view of your wisdom.

I'd be happy to discuss some things I disagree with, once you make an apology to my friends.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:49 AM
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Are you related to Hobo by any chance?
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:47 PM
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This reminds me of why this industry has such a high turnover rate. Drivers start with whatever companies will hire them, then move on to companies that meet more and more of their expectations. As those drivers leave the lesser companies (or go o/o), new drivers come to said companies and the process starts again.
I will concede that it's foolish to walk up to a company's hiring person with that wish-list, partially because the driver should research the company first. If the company doesn't meet the driver's criteria, there should be no time wasted on them.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:34 PM
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anthonyford5113

you really started off on the wrong foot, by coming here with a beef, to burn a couple well loved icons.


we do like the straight no nonsense talk here, but you are coming straight out of the blue, with an attitude maybe you could explain to the members.


gman and twilight have participated in thousands of posts over the years with us, not to mention both gentlemen have selflessly served this community for years.


we've discussed all these issues you bring up, but like you mentioned, things change with the times, and we have to adapt.
you made some good points, despite your over-inflated view of your wisdom.

I'd be happy to discuss some things i disagree with, once you make an apology to my friends.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:21 AM
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I think the problem is PAY. For everything you have to do and time away from home etc. it just doesn't add up.
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agree roadhog
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:49 PM
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Haha! That was a LOW blow, freebird!
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There you go again, Hoggie! Running off all the new members! lol!

Hey, Mitch! You ALWAYS drive your truck in a ditch like that? Haha!
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There you go again, Hoggie! Running off all the new members! lol!

Hey, Mitch! You ALWAYS drive your truck in a ditch like that? Haha!
1 axle locked in and slippery as f..k hill didnt want trailer going downside of corner haha no steering and into water table.dumper was doing gravel so pulled me out
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