Hitting a moose is preventable

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Old 06-18-2009, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dle
What appeal?

I called the safety supervisor in Lancaster (my home terminal), he had to call Phoenix safety to find out what happened.

When he called back, a couple of hours later, he said the preventable stands and that moose are big and can't move very fast.

I told the guy that from the point in time that I first saw the moose until impact I was continuously breaking and that 30 - 50 seconds elapsed. His response - that is sufficient time to come to a complete stop.

That was my appeal.

Vance, where did you see about animal collisions are non-preventable?
I don't know all the circumstances but 30-50 seconds is a long time to respond to a road hazard.
 
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:07 PM
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When I first saw it, I let off the accelerator - engine brake full on.

Applied moderate braking action.

Moose started back toward the slow lane.

Applied heavier braking, maneuvered toward the right side of the lane.

Moose started heading toward me.

Impact.

This was at 2130 in Utah on I80E near mm 154.

When I first saw it, it was in the left lane heading toward the median.

This whole thing keeps rolling through my mind, like a dang horror movie.
 

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What would you have done differently? {besides given your D/M a better story, 30+ seconds is a long time}

Its tough. The accident actually "occurred" in what, about 3-5 seconds?

After loosing 4 rigs in PA one saturday, we recieve a message akin to "hit the critters" DO NOT GO OFF THE ROAD TO AVOID IMPACT.
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
That is the dumbest appeal process I've ever heard, and I highly recommend you dig into the company procedures to confirm that they followed their own procedures. Normally a company's appeal process consists of having a fleet manager appear before a randomly chosen committee on your behalf, and present the case anonymously. The committee then votes on whether they believe the accident could have been prevented. It would surprise me if Swift didn't have a procedure similar to this in place, as not having one could open them up to a lawsuit from a driver who feels an unwarranted black mark has been put on his or her record.

+1 on this. I would definitely dig a little deeper on this one.
 
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Syncrosonix
last i read, hitting animals is non-preventable. they were out on a headhunt and you were in their cross-hairs.
I can see where you're coming from, however, it is preventable. And yes, all you who just know how much i love swift, or am pro-swift, am saying this not to side with the company, or bash a fellow swift driver....i'm saying this from an insurance standpoint.

This happen during the day or night?? If it happened during the day, then you were not looking far enough up ahead of you (more than half a mile)....you did not get the 'big picture'. you always have to keep your eyes moving.

Did it happen at night?? Then either one of two things happened (or maybe both)...you simply wernt paying attention (again, not getting the big picture around you) or you were driving ahead of your headlights. With high beams you should be able to see a football field ahead of you. Now going 55-60, you can get woed down fast enough to avoid a dear (or moose) standing in the road.

It has always been swifts policy that animal hits are preventable, this should be nothing new to you.
 
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:15 PM
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Whether or not it's preventable, you did yourself no favors by telling the story the way you did. "I was on the brakes for 30-50 seconds" sounds a lot worse than "a moose jumped out and struck my vehicle." 30 seconds is a long time. 50 seconds is an eternity. A moose leaping out in front of you takes about half a second. This was one of those subtle lessons that I learned from my trainer. You never hit a deer. The deer hits you.

I don't know what kind of goobers you have working in the safety department if they actually said that a moose is slower than a deer so it's your fault. That's just dumb. Everybody knows that you don't swerve to avoid an animal. If it hits you, it hits you. Now, if it were a cow...
 
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin0915
This happen during the day or night?? If it happened during the day, then you were not looking far enough up ahead of you (more than half a mile)....you did not get the 'big picture'. you always have to keep your eyes moving
He Answered it look below..

Originally Posted by dle
This was at 2130 in Utah on I80E near mm 154.
Originally Posted by Kevin0915
Did it happen at night?? Then either one of two things happened (or maybe both)...you simply wernt paying attention (again, not getting the big picture around you) or you were driving ahead of your headlights. With high beams you should be able to see a football field ahead of you. Now going 55-60, you can get woed down fast enough to avoid a dear (or moose) standing in the road
Bull****!! What kind of deers do you come by?? A deer can easily dart across the road while your going by, a deer has hit my car while passing by after i cleared him.. Maybe he could of avoid of it, but still your reasons are complete bs...

And when i attended Swift Orientation last July i was told if a deer jumps out in the middle of the road or any kind of animal hit it!! If you jacked knife a truck due to missing a deer or any other animal it was automatic termination..

dle i agree with someone else who said you did yourself no favor's by saying 30 to 50 seconds you had to react.. i would of clearly said it jumped out in front of me.. Hell aint like Swift is going to have an Animal Collision Reconstruction Team?? (Do They lol??)
 
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin0915
It has always been swifts policy that animal hits are preventable, this should be nothing new to you.
no it hasn't. my most recent run-over with an animal occurred last september. it was also ruled non-preventable. in any instance, you do NOT swerve to avoid hitting one, nor do you slam your brakes. you just go on and hit the animal.
 
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:52 AM
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I've only had one run in with an animal. I hit a deer last year on I-64 in WV. It was late at night and I had literally a split second to react. I had enough time to swerve enough for it to miss the tractor, but the trailer tandems made a nice deer pizza.

We also had one of our drivers hit a black bear (about 800#) within 1 mile of that spot. His truck didn't make it out as lucky, tho.
 
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dle
When I first saw it, I let off the accelerator - engine brake full on.

Applied moderate braking action.

Moose started back toward the slow lane.

Applied heavier braking, maneuvered toward the right side of the lane.

Moose started heading toward me.

Impact.

This was at 2130 in Utah on I80E near mm 154.

When I first saw it, it was in the left lane heading toward the median.

This whole thing keeps rolling through my mind, like a dang horror movie.
This sounds like one of those cases where you choose to tell the truth in hopes that it is the right thing to do. But we all know that is not always the case.

One thing I have learned from living in Montana for 25 years and dealing with wildlife on the roads, sometimes on a daily basis, is that they are totally unpredictable.

Sincerely hope you get your ordeal behind you with a favorable outcome.:thumbsup:
 

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