Reduired to work longer to make the same $$$
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Originally Posted by clawHAMMER
Tell me what company, or industry for that matter, where you're not going to have to work longer to make the same kind of money these days?
It's a fact of life here in 2008 in the good ole USA.
Jumping companies for the reason you mentioned really wouldn't change anything IMO. You might find a company with faster trucks but less miles, you sit more, have to unload etc etc.
So your truck is turned down a couple of mph slower, no big deal. If you sit in the saddle for 10 hours a day averaging 60 mph, with everything being equal, it'll take you an additional 20 minutes longer to get there, doing my trucker math.
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Originally Posted by jamesinge
It is a pay cut plain and simple. No reason the driver should have to pay for the higher fuel with his wages.
Widget maker tells person that works 8 hours a day making widgets. Gee the cost of the Widget material has really sky rocketed. I will need you to work 12 hours a day now for the same pay. Driver getting the shaft and taking it. Stay or quit , but dont cry about what it is. It is as plain as day a pay cut. You, me and Lebron should start a club. *A person with whom one is allied in a struggle or cause; a comrade.
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Originally Posted by clawHAMMER
So your truck is turned down a couple of mph slower, no big deal. If you sit in the saddle for 10 hours a day averaging 60 mph, with everything being equal, it'll take you an additional 20 minutes longer to get there, doing my trucker math. My company will be much better off if I hop in the seat and drive for free, therefore I'll drive for free? Or maybe "Our trucks operate most efficiently with the key in the off position, therefore we'll leave the keys in the off position?" The freight has to move. No freight = no economy = no USA. There is a cost associated with moving freight. As the cost of fuel rises, have the maritime workers said they'd work for less? Have the railroad workers stepped up to say they'd work for less? Are bus drivers volunteering a pay cut? Which freakin' planet are you from and why do you value your work so little? Despite the best efforts of the turds that have squirted their way onto the American political scene, the huge majority of US freight is still moved by US citizens. US citizens who raise kids, maintain homes and buy the very freight which we commit our lives to moving. Pay needs to go up and not down, you . . you . . I can't say it at the risk of being deleted.
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Originally Posted by bigtimba
Which freakin' planet are you from and why do you value your work so little?
Pay needs to go up and not down, you . . you . . I can't say it at the risk of being deleted.
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During difficult economic times, everyone will need to make compromises. Or you could do like the steel union workers did some years ago and refuse to make some compromises to help make the company viable. They lost their jobs and most steel is now produced abroad. I won't get into to the pay cut debate, but unless your rate has changed, then you are still making the same pay as before. :wink:
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Originally Posted by GMAN
During difficult economic times, everyone will need to make compromises.
If you want to pull for the same rates you did last year, 2 years ago, etc then have at it. It's a free country.
Or you could do like the steel union workers did some years ago and refuse to make some compromises to help make the company viable. They lost their jobs and most steel is now produced abroad.
I won't get into to the pay cut debate, but unless your rate has changed, then you are still making the same pay as before. :wink:
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The rate can change but the real issue is miles. I left a .32cpm position at Swift to go to a smaller outfit that pays .30cpm, and do you know why? Miles.
Would you rather be like some of those guys at JB or Swift and make serious cpm and get no miles? That's why I steer everyone who asks clear of JB. That .42 cpm looks great on paper. But 0 miles times any rate still equals 0 dollars and that's not trucking math, that's third grade math.
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Originally Posted by LeBron James
Originally Posted by GMAN
During difficult economic times, everyone will need to make compromises.
If you want to pull for the same rates you did last year, 2 years ago, etc then have at it. It's a free country.
Or you could do like the steel union workers did some years ago and refuse to make some compromises to help make the company viable. They lost their jobs and most steel is now produced abroad.
I won't get into to the pay cut debate, but unless your rate has changed, then you are still making the same pay as before. :wink:
LeBron James said "Because union workers wouldn't agree to work for $4.00/day? " So how is being unemployed better than taking a pay-cut? kc0iv
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Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by LeBron James
Well I'm making more than I did last year and the year before. And I'll make more next year too. Not everyone out there is dumb enough to take paycuts.
LeBron James said "Because union workers wouldn't agree to work for $4.00/day? " So how is being unemployed better than taking a pay-cut? kc0iv
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Originally Posted by Ronin
The rate can change but the real issue is miles. I left a .32cpm position at Swift to go to a smaller outfit that pays .30cpm, and do you know why? Miles.
Originally Posted by kc0iv
So how is being unemployed better than taking a pay-cut?
It is not preferable to be unemployed, however it is preferable to find a lesser-paying "service economy" job that can't be outsourced like OTR or better yet, go back to school and increase skills/education.
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Now...... don't go confusing LBJ/CFM..or his issues. Low man on the totem-pole still makes fewer $$ in a union than the mid level or top level totem-pole sitters in a union shop..and he doesn't want to talk about that...just like he doesn't want to talk about union's doing "give & take" when a company is on hard times...or on the rocks.
How would you like to have 20 years in a place and the company cuts your hours and gives your run to a new-guy making less money? That's why there's a seniority system in place...not that you would understand it. |

