[gmh]

Sorry dle, I've seen plenty of bills that do not specify a temperature.

OTOH, at least with Schaffer, when a temp was put in the loaded message that didn't jibe with what had been negotiated, we did get an error. I'm not sure that that would have helped in this situation. You put in '23' and it comes out okay, because nobody specified F or C.

[geomon]

This was a meeting of two different business worlds and their languages....the high technology/scientific world who all work in Celsius and the rest of us (in the US) who use Farenheit.

Be interesting to see if the shipping documents had both C/F stated...if so then the driver screwed the pooch on that and created an $900K paperweight...and will put several lawyers kids thru school :?

Any expediters on this forum that transport temperature regulated medical goods? Is the temp stated in F or C, or both?

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by dle

The driver would have seen the reefer setting in two places. On the bills and on the load records on qcom.

Then once he is ready to leave he has to use a Leaving Stop - Reefer macro specifying among other things what the bills say for the reefer setting. At that point, if the numbers are different he will start getting qcom messages.

Don't know who you drive for, but I can tell you that there are as many differences in the messages as there are companies out here dealing with them. And, as far as temp setting on the bills... I have a couple that I am just ready to turn in... They say:

Keep from freezing.
Keep chilled
Keep chilled
Keep at 0 degrees
Keep at or below 0 degrees
Keep at or below 0 degrees

The load had two bulkheads in it, and there is absolutely NOTHING on any of the paperwork to say if it's 0 degrees C or F. The reefers are all set to read in F. While I'm sure they can be set up to read in C, how many companies in this country do you know that have them set to C?

If the difference between C and F amounts to that much money, the shipper should have been VERY CLEAR about it. My guess is they were not. They most likely asked what the temp setting was, and may even have looked at the reading themselves. "Ok, 32 degrees, that's good. Your fine." And when he got to the other end, it was not fine. These same people listen to the weather reports, don't they? When the weather man says it's 100 degrees, to them, does that mean you can boil water on your lawn? No wonder CA is having problems with wildfires.

I still say X gets the square. The shipper was not clear enough about the requirements in a country that uses F as a standard. That's like going to China and expecting everyone to understand what you say in English. Ain't gonna happen. Or going to Greece and speaking English... Same thing. I've been out there, and I know. I spent 3 weeks so drunk I still don't remember it, and woke up to find myself married to a girl whose full vocabulary in English was "DON'T UNDERSTAND". But, after two weeks, we both got to be pretty darn good at sign language.

I'd bet my life that the shipper didn't make themselves clear enough when the equipment was shipped.

[geomon]

Keep from freezing.
Keep chilled
Keep chilled
Keep at 0 degrees
Keep at or below 0 degrees
Keep at or below 0 degrees

Those are some LOOSE temp specs there WW....
"Keep chilled"... my grandfather was chilled when it was 80 degrees (F).

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by geomon

Those are some LOOSE temp specs there WW....
"Keep chilled"... my grandfather was chilled when it was 80 degrees (F).

My point exactly. Do I keep chilled in C or F??? And, there are just a wee bit of difference in the performance of 0 degrees C, and 0 degrees F.

And, if that's what these guys do, did the shipper of the equipment even specify C or F?

[gmh]

Windwalker, you and I gotta hang out more; I need to meet a woman like that. Communication is overrated.

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by gmh

Windwalker, you and I gotta hang out more; I need to meet a woman like that. Communication is overrated.

:?: :?: :?: Don't hang out with me. I'm not in Morocco anymore, or Ethiopia either. But, you'll easily find all kinds of them there if you want to go there. And, the 'DON'T UNDERSTAND" part isn't all that good either. At least American women do understand what you're saying, even if they do not want to comprehend it.

[Jumbo]

How do we know the driver was American. Maybe he was British and he was doing 100 Kilometers per hour with his 23 degree celsius and never thought anything of it.

[dle]

Hey windwalker, i drove for srt.

What we were supposed to do if there was no temp stated on the bills then we were to use the one stated on the load recs and then contact dispatch to tell them there was no temp on the bills.

Sorry, but I don't remember any bills that did not have temps specified. Guess I just wasn't lucky enough.

[Chasing Daylight]

I want to know what knuckle dragging dock worker loaded this trailer and why he isn't named in the suit. One would think that upon enetering a 23 drgree F trailer his first thought would be "hmm... this seems a bit cold." It's not like we load the freight then set the temperature. Normally, the trailer is precooled, normally it won't be loaded unless it is.