[Freyst]

I just got rates from my owner operator. He wolud like to haul the freights for the following rates:
miles expences price for load
200 $247.00 $531.00
250 $270.00 $580.00
300 $295.00 $634.00
350 $320.00 $688.00
400 $344.00 $740.00
450 $369.00 $793.00
500 $393.00 $845.00
550 $418.00 $899.00
600 $591.00 $1,271.00
650 $615.00 $1,322.00
700 $640.00 $1,376.00
750 $664.00 $1,427.00
800 $689.00 $1,481.00
850 $713.00 $1,533.00
900 $738.00 $1,587.00
950 $762.00 $1,638.00
1000 $787.00 $1,692.00
1050 $811.00 $1,744.00
1100 $836.00 $1,797.00
1150 $1,009.00 $2,169.00
1200 $1,033.00 $2,221.00
1250 $1,057.00 $2,272.00
1300 $1,082.00 $2,326.00
1350 $1,107.00 $2,380.00
1400 $1,131.00 $2,432.00
1450 $1,156.00 $2,485.00
1500 $1,180.00 $2,537.00


What do you think?

[LOAD IT]

He is out of touch with reality. His rates are $1.69 to $2.65 per mile. Flatbed rates havent averaged $1.69 per mile since October 2008 and they have been diving ever since. Lets hope for the usual rise in rates between February and July, but with this economy, I doubt if it happens. Tell him he needs to lower his expenses, I like his chart.

[Freyst]

Originally Posted by LOAD IT

He is out of touch with reality. His rates are $1.69 to $2.65 per mile. Flatbed rates havent averaged $1.69 per mile since October 2008 and they have been diving ever since. Lets hope for the usual rise in rates between February and July, but with this economy, I doubt if it happens. Tell him he needs to lower his expenses, I like his chart.

LOAD IT,
thank you for response!

So, what the avarage rates today for flatbeds?

[Les2]

The big question is... what kind of material? Is it just steel bars, coils, plate or something alittle more special? You don't need to say what it is but you get the point.

Another thing to keep in mind. Is the stuff a PIA to load? Like having a bunch of coils and some plates along with other stuff? There is some stuff I haul that is a real PIA but the rate reflects that and makes it worth it. If it had just a standard rate I'd never haul the stuff!

[Justruckin]

When I hung it up last year, flat rates were hovering around .80 to $1.50 a mile. But there was little freight, so at that point, it did not matter, it was a lose lose situation all the way around.

I wish I had something better to state, but that is still about the way it is out here. You may get a decent rate in one direction, but odds are you will lose that when dead heading and, God I hate this term, "back haul rates" are factored in.

Here. look at this, and check out the freight tonnage index, that tells the real story. http://transcoretrendlines.com/?utm_...m_medium=email

[Freyst]

Originally Posted by Justruckin

When I hung it up last year, flat rates were hovering around .80 to $1.50 a mile. But there was little freight, so at that point, it did not matter, it was a lose lose situation all the way around.

I wish I had something better to state, but that is still about the way it is out here. You may get a decent rate in one direction, but odds are you will lose that when dead heading and, God I hate this term, "back haul rates" are factored in.

Here. look at this, and check out the freight tonnage index, that tells the real story. TransCore Trends

Justtruckin,
thank you,
very useful information!

[LOAD IT]

Originally Posted by Freyst

LOAD IT,
thank you for response!

So, what the avarage rates today for flatbeds?

The rates depend on where you are, where its going, what the product is, is it a PIA? Where do you run and what do you haul? I dont think your O/O is doing anything and is going to use you to find his better rates and you will make little, because he will get most of the pie. Do you like crust? I would get away from him, and let him starve, he will be back, hat in hand.

[RostyC]

I don't think they're that far off. Some of the rates he gave you is close to what I've been getting. However, rate cutters have and are still doing their damage to some of our freight.

Perhaps the guy wants to be fairly compensated for his services. He maybe left a little room for negotiation in his prices.

[Justruckin]

Originally Posted by RostyC

I don't think they're that far off. Some of the rates he gave you is close to what I've been getting. However, rate cutters have and are still doing their damage to some of our freight.

Perhaps the guy wants to be fairly compensated for his services. He maybe left a little room for negotiation in his prices.

I spoke with a buddy of mine, they are doing some high dollar freight with conestoga wagons, mainly GM, Ford and Chrysler. They are getting great rates out, roughly around $3 average, but are finding no freight coming back. So they dead head 50% of the time, and just go home awaiting the next load.

And my other buddy, talked to him yesterday, running a conestoga for another outfit, he averaged $3.11 for all miles hauling automotive in MI, OH, KY and IN. The outfit he is leased to seems to have a bit more freight.

But, and here is the big BUT. Both of these guys have no idea how long any of this will last. They are all thinking till Christmas or maybe into February of next year. Neither of my friends are very encouraged at what they are seeing right now, but are happy to be making a few dollars in this last quarter. The rest of this year was a total bust just running to break even, and both have just finished with bankruptcies. They kept their equipment, as it was and is paid for, one lost his house and another is selling his to move to Texas where his wife landed a job. I don't envy them.

[Les2]

Originally Posted by Justruckin

I spoke with a buddy of mine, they are doing some high dollar freight with conestoga wagons, mainly GM, Ford and Chrysler. They are getting great rates out, roughly around $3 average, but are finding no freight coming back. So they dead head 50% of the time, and just go home awaiting the next load.

And my other buddy, talked to him yesterday, running a conestoga for another outfit, he averaged $3.11 for all miles hauling automotive in MI, OH, KY and IN. The outfit he is leased to seems to have a bit more freight.

But, and here is the big BUT. Both of these guys have no idea how long any of this will last. They are all thinking till Christmas or maybe into February of next year. Neither of my friends are very encouraged at what they are seeing right now, but are happy to be making a few dollars in this last quarter. The rest of this year was a total bust just running to break even, and both have just finished with bankruptcies. They kept their equipment, as it was and is paid for, one lost his house and another is selling his to move to Texas where his wife landed a job. I don't envy them.

Do you believe what your buddies are telling you? I don't, unless its material that is requiring a slider to haul it, and there isn't much that won't just fit in a covered wagon. I can tell you auto freight is paying less than coil and rust bar rates. Atleast the stuff coming out of ohio is! It's disguistingly cheap and the sad part is they want you to expedite it...LOL