Very true Roadhog.

I remember hearing this somewhere. IIRC it was on one of the News shows. Not every Muslim is a Jihadist HOWEVER EVERY JIHADiST IS A MUSLIM.

Remember this everyone who declared a holy war on their own religion in the 80's Iran did against Iraq over OIL. Then Al-Queadadid the same to us when they attacked us yet the DUMMYCRATS in Washington refuse to admit that we need to attack harder than we are.

Hearts and minds will never work against a religion called go in there release everything we have in the arsenal up to WMD's and let the world know if we are attacked again THOSE COME OUT. Let the radicals know that if they attack us again in any way the next target would be MECCA and if it came to it WIPE THAT FREAKING CITY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH WITH A EITHER A PEACEKEEPER OR A TRIDENT MISSLE. Then let them know the next attack would result in Medina getting the same treatment as Mecca. If they still refused to get the freaking message we then wipe the Mound of the Rock OFF. Sooner or later they would get the message that we are NOT SCREWING AROUND.

HELL EVEN THE JAPANESE GOT THE MESSAGE AFTER SEEING HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI GROW A MUSHROOM CLOUD. AT LEAST THE EMPORER DID AND ORDERED THE SURRENDER.

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

YOU are the one who should RE-read that webpage.

They are different things...not different groups.

A Muslim (person) is an adherant (read: FOLLOWER) of Islam (the religion)...

I'll wait for trail, you know, the justice system. I don't believe a hoot of what I hear, either side.
Then I'll decide.

Or.............. we could round up all Muslims and put them in camps, gas em, or bake em, shoot em and their children oh wait......... that's been done before, how'd that turn out?

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Sounds good to me. I will go out and start rounding them up. I will be over in little with the 1st load Rosty. :thumbsup:

Gladhand keep living in your world as I want no part of it. It is a world of fear a world that lacks trust, a sad world in my opinion as with my other post this is just my opinion so please think real hard as to how you would like to belittle my thoughts as ludicris and outragous, oh and lets not forget that real nasty word Liberal leftwing. Once again life is to short to worry and I don't need anymore grey hairs, none of this will be solved in our lifetimes. You can pick apart my post all you like as I can do to yours it will still not solve anything, kind of like the democrats and republicans. Just for the record I am so far from being a liberal I even have a CWP and I belong the the NRA. In fact I have for many years on this board used the term dysenfranchised. I couldnt care less about politics or religion they are of no consequence to me they are filled with hypocrites and liars so why bother. My it is what it is attitude comes from years of watching this country fall apart because everyone thinks they are right and feel the need to push their agendas on everyone else. That goes from watching numerous religious leaders talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from watching numerous politicians talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from the general freedoms we have as a country that we use and abuse on a daily basis we take for granted. IT IS WHAT IT IS... I quit playing a long time ago, I use this board as a way to express some of my opinions fulling understanding that there will be people such as yourself who disagree with me. SO???? ask me if it has any effect on my daily living? what's done is done and if the day comes that Islam takes over the USA (highly doubtful) but if it does then I will take that road when it comes to me, in the mean time I choose to live for my family, I choose not to live in fear and distrust of my fellow humans, I choose so many things that can be construed as right wing and left wing so I guess that makes me a intween wing. I refuse to live in fear of others, you and the other right wing fanaticals have that handled just fine, by the way thank you for that as all that stress from worry and hate would most likely cause me to have a heart attack or stroke, not worth the effort..
Have a nice day...

Timberwolf

It seems to me as though the only groups or people that have attacked U.S. citizens have been Muslims. Of course, we can't profile these people because it isn't politically correct. It is much better to target granny from Des Moines sitting in a wheel chair. We can't hurt anyones feelings. Being politically correct is killing this country. It throws common sense out the window. These "Muslims" have declared war on the west, especially the U.S. Frankly, I am surprised that we have not had more attacks on our citizens by these nut cases. When we have been at war there have been those who have been targeted and watched in order to protect the citizenry. Those who have attacked our citizens have associated themselves with Islam. That is something that some seem to over look. Had they not specifically stated at some point that they were attacking our citizens in the name of "Allah" or "Islam", then I don't think we would be having this discussion. When Timothy McVay blew up the building in Oklahoma he never stated that he was doing it in the name of Christianity. In fact, I don't recall that his religion or lack thereof was ever mentioned. I think that until Muslim leaders begin to critize these people and their actions we will see more people who believe that it is the entire Muslim community who supports these actions. Perhaps they do. The silence is deafening.

Well, with the type of people that are running the government these days, better get ready for a healthy dose of it.

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like. :thumbsup:

I have no fear whatsoever and it’s not fear that motivates or drives me. However, I abhor ignorance, especially the kind of ignorance that fosters and leads to 9/11 terrorist attacks, to the Fort Hood terrorist attack, and to the endless other Islamic terrorist attacks that have taken place in the USA and around the world and that are still taking place around the world every day exactly because of self-hating PC multicultural enablers like you that are addicted to cultural relativism.

I have no doubt that politically correct Muslim apologist like you believe that I’m intolerant, an Islamophobe, and a bigoted ignoramus. Nevertheless, I have forgotten more about Islam, Muslims, and Islamic history than you will ever come close to knowing.

Thus, unlike you I’m not blinded by political correct multiculturalism and blind allegiance to cultural relarivism. Therefore, when I see Muslims that have migrated out of the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and into the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief) without exception no matter where it is in the world refusing to assimilate and integrate, I don’t blindly ignore it. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every Muslim country in the world where dhimmi non-Muslims are unfortunate enough to live in the Dar al Islam, those dhimmi non-Muslims again without exception are always institutionally discriminated against, often killed, and horribly oppressed by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that wherever it is in the world where the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb, there is rampant terrorism, endless violence, extensive bloodshed, and genocide taking place that is instigated by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every country in the world that has enabled Muslims to immigrate, those countries again without exception have become the victims of incessant Islamic terrorist attacks and have been forced to double and triple their homeland security budgets just to accommodate Muslims and their excess baggage. Unlike you I don’t turn my head and deny the obvious reality because unlike you I’m not addicted to cultural relativism.

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

With respect to your idiotic claim to being apolitical, you are free to say and deny whatever you want, however, it is obvious to the rest of us that you are radically leftwing, especially since at the slightest hint of discussion of Islamic terrorism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity since Christians are not perpetrating terrorist attacks all around the world and citing Bible passages to justify terrorist attacks, you go into instant rabid attack Christianity mode just exactly like all your fellow leftwing secularists like you have been indoctrinated and programmed to do.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.