Soldier goes postal
 

Google shooting and Ft. Hood to find all the details from whatever news source you trust.

Just in case some went to print too quickly..... the shooter is still alive and will survive.

You know, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday when I got home…this was before they released the info on the shooter. Then we got the guy’s name and the story about how he was comparing suicide bombers to heroes. And that brought up the following questions.

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?

And more importantly, when are the retaliatory attacks going to come against the innocent Muslims in this country?

Because it will happen. People are so on edge right now about all the garbage going on in the world, they’re going to see this as another attack on our home soil. Muslims were under heavy rhetorical fire after 911…now with 8 years of simmering anger and hatred to fuel the fire, I have a feeling it’s going to get way out of hand and transfer from symbolic to realistic. I certainly hope it doesn’t, but I’ve lost a lot of faith in humanity in general and simply believe it to be unavoidable.

All that said, though, let’s not get it started on this board. I can understand the feelings. I’m just as angry, disgusted, and shocked as anyone else. But we need to take a step back and not pour gasoline on the fires. If we’re going to discuss this, great. If you want to let it all hang out against the piece of trash that did this, by all means, let ‘er rip. But don’t let this turn into a religious or race war on this board.

Thanks.

Agreed ith you TF. When Gearldo Rivera Mr NO DEATH PENALTY wants him tried by TX so that way he will get the DEATH PENALTY that tell you anything. TTalked to a couple sal****er fish keeping friends of mine they are in Fort Sill and they have friends at Hood they are like let the Wives get ahold of the SOB that did this. Sorry Army wives are worse than Marinesa when it comes to screwing with them.

I called my SIL an Air Force wife what their feelings would be if this had happened at her base. Lets just say that Major better be GLAD he is under 24 HR gaurd if he was not he would be dead already from the wives. They can understand the deaths overseas however one of their own FRAGGING them is over that line. Especially when they are unarmed.

From what I read they said that the man was against being deployed, had an intention of wanting to stay "stateside".
All religious/race reasoning aside, I'm still baffled by those who sign up and are accepted for duty, then think they don't have to serve in a combat zone.

At the very least, this guy could've been relatively safe in Iraq or Afghanistan given his rank and MD position.
It didn't seem like they were going to be throwing him on the front lines or some other life-risking, combat-related position.

IMO, this guy never seemed to know what he was truly getting himself into from the get-go.
In the end, that over-confidence bought him alot of stress and now all of this drama he's going to have to deal with for however much longer he'll remain alive.

They didn't. But thanks for spreading the misinformation. The guy had "no religious preference" listed in his personnel records, and all the reports of him supposedly shouting Muslim phrases are coming from people who didn't witness this tragedy happening. The guy was upset about being deployed to the middle east, and he likely snapped. Making it about religion is just an attempt to divide.



Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

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I read where the shooter was taken down by a female Army police officer (who was one of the injured )...

YOU GO GIRL! :thumbsup:

Originally, they had both the shooter, and the person who shot them, listed as dead. Just more misinformation that got spread around. Frankly, this "instant news" world we live in sucks. The lies and rumors get spread around like they are truth, and once the truth finally comes out, it takes forever to get the lies proven as such, if it can even be done at all.


Bye

No religious preference, now who is uninformed!!!
I guess you missed the phone interview with the cowards cousin! They asked him when he converted to Islam, his answer was, " He has always been Muslim"!!!!!
Listen, when you JOIN the military in war time, you know you take the chances of going to war!!!!
As far as making it an attempt to divide, if you listened to the interviews with his co workers he would make statements to other people about how we may deserve it and other sadisious remarks that should never have been uttered from an AMERICAN SOLDIER!!!! , so how does it not have anything to do with race or religion!!!! When you are a soldier, right or wrong, you protect your country and its people, and put them ahead of your beliefs!!! I would never say we should exterminate all Muslims, maybe the ones that wish to destroy us!!! From his actions and comments, he is one of the ones we should have been watching out for!!!! It doesn't matter what race or religion you are, you are a citizen of this country, you are American and should be given every consideration as anyone else in this country.... Until you prove different!!!!!This is just my opinion, like it or not!!!!

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

Well, to stop these kinds of trash, we as a country would have to use the racial or religious profiling most hate! Get over it people, we just have to wait till something like this happens so we don't hurt anyone's feelings!!! Now that's politically correct!!!....lol

That is messed up! :eek1: :mad:
Actually, I heard about it on the cb radio last night. There was a college (football) game on, and I didn't listen to any news last night. I heard everyone talking about it, and it blew my mind. It still blows my mind.
Fort Hood aint that far from Huntsville. :p They should 'deploy' him over to Huntsville, and introduce him to the inmates as soon as he heals. :p
One of the reasons why he didn't want to get deployed, is probably because he's one of the playing cards, and didn't want to get "turned up" over there. He knew he was safe here. :p :lol:

It makes ya wonder how many more of them we have in our country's forts, bases. :hellno:

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I’m willing to bet that the fallout from this, both immediate and long-term, will be far-reaching. As far as this particular situation goes, there seems to be a lot of red flags popping up. Doesn’t appear to be one of those “oh, he was so quiet” episodes. If these red flags turn out to have merit, why didn’t someone pick up on it? Lot of questions being asked that go far beyond the gunman himself.

The NY Times disagrees, and cited proof that he wasn't (based on his personnel file). But no matter. That doesn't prove this shooting had ANYTHING to do with his religion, and the fact that you included it is part of that divide I was speaking of. In fact, every major news outlet I've read this morning all said the same thing - he wanted out of the army because he didn't want to be deployed to the Middle East. Why you are making it about his religion, even going so far as to call him a "radical Muslim", is beyond me. You're feeding into the hype. Adding fuel to the fire.

I wouldn't trust the NY Times if they said that the sky is blue.
If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head. I think "not wanting to get deployed" was a cop-out or an excuse to 'fulfill his destiny' as a terrorist. If his name was John Smith, than it might be that he just 'flipped out', and could be condoned. I think this Hasan is/was a terrorist. I believe they are all over our country. We just don't know who, or where they are until they decide to unload on us.
I know what I just said was not very nice to say, but I have a problem. I am plain spoken, and I speak my mind. I will take responsibility for saying this, and accept the disciplinary actions. Even having my membership of CAD terminated, if needed.

I think you are completely missing my point. I am well aware of his desire not to go overseas and deploy. That being said, however, this whole thing has already been made out to be because he is a Muslim, like it or not. It’s in every story, on every news station…it’s everywhere.

Were I to be a Muslim, I would certainly want people thinking he was of the radical extremist sect and not indicative of Muslims in general. It goes that way with every religion or beliefs when some f’ing moron pops up and massacres someone, be it one or many. Whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

Since we’re already on that line of thinking (remember, my original post was in reply to the post you deleted...I am assuming you also received the reported post notification and erased the post before I did) my whole point has been to separate him out from the decent Muslims.

The more I think about it, I think this is where our disconnect is, Rev. My first post was in reply to a reported post, where the poster unloaded on Muslims in general. My reply was based on that post and not the first post that brought up the fact that he is a Muslim. With that post deleted (I was going to edit it myself), it now casts my original post in a different light and looks like I was the one that brought it up, which was not actually the case.

So there was a shooting in Orlando today. 2 people dead so far, 6 injured. When can we expect to hear the religion of the shooter, so we can blame it on that?


Whatever. Go ahead and spread hate. Im done.

As I said, whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

I’m not getting what your problem here is. You’ve taken my original post completely out of context now, with the removal of the offending post. If you were the one that removed it, then you know what it said. And that being the case, you know that you are way out of line with your accusations.

I wasn’t the one that came in here and started hammering on Muslims. I correctly labeled this piece of garbage as an extremist, which puts him in an extreme minority. I’m having a hard time figuring out why you have a problem with that.

Unless every news station is wrong and his family is incorrect with their statements, the guy is a muslim. Does not his actions, by definition, make him an extremist and NOT indicative of the Muslim world as a whole?

Like I said, I’m not understanding this from you at all. It almost sounds like you’re defending him, the shooter.

Extreme minority of what? American citizens? Sure.

His religion has nothing to do with what happened. The fact that the major media outlets are focusing on it, and others are following suit, is despicable. I have a major problem with people labeling others based on their religious beliefs when their religious beliefs have nothing to do with what is being discussed. Until a report shows that it did, religion played no part in this tragedy. The guy was born and raised in America. He is an American citizen, nothing more, nothing less.

That is pathetic news reporting, and Faux News should be ashamed to have this idiot representing them.

Fort Hood Anti-Muslim Backlash Immediate - CBS News

If you're going to use racial slurs, you might want to actually get them correct. That particular racial slur is for East Indians, most of which fall under the Hindu religion.

You are pathetic.

You don’t know that. The investigation, not to mention ALL the news coverage (CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC) leans in the other direction. Right or wrong.

They’ve seized the guys PC. They’ve already got him on websites with an anti-American attitude. I don’t see where anyone has corroborated the “God is Great!” shouting he was allegedly doing, so I have not mentioned it. But in light of everything that is already laid bare, there is little reason to believe this is anything other than what it appears. Maybe it will, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

However, my point in the first post was to differentiate between this guy and the Muslim world in general and remember, that was in reply to a deleted post hammering on all Muslims. As you are already seeing (and I haven’t read the link to that story, but the title says it all), too many people are all fired up about it without using their brains. I’ve used mine, I KNOW this guy doesn’t represent the Muslim faith in general, and I have come on here and asked that everyone else view it the same way.

Again, I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with that.

you know what? i had a nice long response written up, but **** it. i'm outta here.

Study Islam and what it inculcates. Read the Koran, the Ahadith, and especially the Sira (biography of Muhammad). Study the disturbing history of Islam. Read the works written by experts like Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or, Hugh Fitzgerald, and many others, and you will soon learn that contrary to what our government’s official position is, Islam is not a religion of peace. In reality Islam is a very extremist ideology of conquest and anyone and everyone who adheres to that so-called religion is an extremist.

Study how in every Muslim country in the world without exception non-Muslims are discriminated against and treated as second-class citizens. Study how in every non-Islamic country in the world where Muslims have migrated they have refused to assimilate and integrate. Notice how every country in the world once Muslims start migrating soon become the victims of Islamic terror attacks that forces that country to double and triple the amount of resources they dedicate to homeland defense because of the excess baggage of the Muslims and their so-called religion. Also notice that in countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated, those countries have not yet become the victim of Islamic terror attacks in stark contrast to the countries where Muslims have migrated.

Of course, the Saudi financed Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) front groups like CAIR will be out front and center spewing their taqiyya (deceptive propaganda) and denouncing the attacker’s actions as an act of depravity having nothing to do with Islam itself and peaceful Muslims, and of course the gullible politically correct liberal media will be giving them all the air time they want and need to spew their lies meant to deceive.

In the end, the attack will eventually be attributed to any and everything else but what it really was: an act of jihad by a pious Muslim. I mean I heard the general this morning repeatedly state that there is nothing whatsoever to suggest it was an act of Islamic terrorism. Even though the shooter was yelling Alllahu Acbar (God is Great!) while pulling the trigger and murdering his kafir comrades. Even though he denounced American foreign policy to his comrades and compared suicide/homicide bombers to soldiers falling on a grenade to save their comrades. There is nothing to say it had anything to do with the fact that he was a Muslim. Don’t even suggest that nonsense. Don't even go there. :rofl:

Actually, she was a civilian cop contracted to provide base security.

In an interview with AC360 on CNN, the male cop seems to be taking MOST if not all of the credit for bringing the shooter down. We'll see when they reconstruct the angles of the shots that took him down.

For the record.... his cousin stated that he was always Muslim. That is probably true. However, that doesn't preclude him from listing NO PREFERENCE on his military record. I'm a Baptist, but I could have claimed no preference.

This incident had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, being a Muslim, Islamic terrorism, or Islamic jihad. Per his cousin he was a victim of incessant persecution by his peers and it was this persistent persecution for his being a Muslim that led to him eventually cracking and unleashing this jihad attack upon American kafirs about to be sent off to fight his fellow jihadists abroad.

In any event we can all rest easy, it is very clear the good major to say the least was a so-called peaceful “moderate Muslim”… that is until he wasn’t.

It seems Rev.Vassago has an issue with the truth and also with people who disagree with his point of view. My previously deleted statement still stands. They all should be rounded up and deported.

I AGREE!!

Um.... we ARE talking about the Conservatives, right? :lol2:

The shooter has now been tied to a mosque in VA also attended by two of the Sept. 11 hijackers at a time when a radical iman preached there...Alleged shooter tied to mosque of 9/11 hijackers | abcactionnews.com

Found out something very interesting. Her Hubby is an MP and he found out why this AHLE had his car keyed. He was telling soliders that had just returned from Iraq and Aghanistan that the Muslims were correct in Killing them. These were troops that had buddies killed overseas and this Major AHOLE is telling them that some MUSLIM THAT USED AN IED WAS DOING ALLAHS WILL TO KILL HIS COMRADES IN ARMS. Yet the Armay refused to do anything about HIM. He got this info from a MP that had just transfered out of HIS unit 3 months ago and was assigned to Fort Hood.

Could this be WHY MAJOR AHOLE HASSON GOT HIS CAR KEYED.

So Why are the MSM refusing to cover this.

Looks like things have changed here...... All of this drama over a ( I guess you didn't get the part about use of such language ) murdering 13 innocent people........

Or did you think Rev's little rant about no moderation on the board was a new standard? Try to pull that crap again and you WILL be out on your ass ASAP.

Fixed it for you :thumbsup:

well, that works, too, dude! :thumbsup:

Hate to spoil your pouting party, dude. This has been reported and discussed by CNN and others since the first day. Heard it with my own 3 ears! :hellno:

Your entitled to whatever opinion you want to have, dude. But, just so you KNOW..... "this" is the kind of ignorant racist remark that got this thread locked the first time.

I've heard interviews over the last few days with Muslims who have fought bravely in both of these ill conceived wars. I wonder what opinion THEY might have of you? Refresh my memory..... how many years did YOU serve?

However Golf why are they refusing to discuss the last case of a Muslim going NUTS. In 2003 a 101st Sargent throwing Gernades into tents in Kuwaitt and killing multiple Officers. Fox brought that up and so far has been the only one to do so.

We just suffered the biggest Islamic jihad terrorist attack on our homeland since 9/29. Meanwhile, we have B. Hussein Obama in the White House telling us not to rush to judgment.

It is sort of like we have a president today who is dithering on whether or not to continue a silly fantasy-based nation building mission in Afghanistan to try to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated per their religion to hate our guts no matter what, while Iran, on the other hand, with impunity and while thumbing its nose at the kafir non-Islamic world is on the verge of acquiring the Islamic bomb, which will inevitably lead to the proliferation of nuclear weapons across the entire Dar al Islam.

Yep it’s obvious B. Hussein Obama and his ilk have their priorities straight. Not that the Republicans and unfortunately many conservatives today aren’t also as blind as a bat as well when it comes to Islam and Muslims! Whatever happened to quickly and forcefully obliterating our enemies ASAP, creating deterrence, and then going home? Apparently, political correct multiculturalism has afflicted our society every bit as bad as the Bubonic Plague afflicted the world during the Dark Ages.

Not only that but we are having mosques now all across the country asking for extra police protection because of a feared backlash by so-called Islamaphobes or people who otherwise legitimately criticize Islam, even though so for, knock on wood, there has been no backlash.

In other words, like they deceptively have been doing for many years now, CAIR and the other many Saudi funded Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) groups are using this tragic event to make the Muslims out to be the victims in the minds of the gullible, clueless, and naive politically correct.

Considering the current occupants of the White House and the current majorities in Congress, along with the long established alliance the left has had with Islam, in the end this event will be attributed to a psychopath who just snapped and decided to unleash an attack in which 13 of our finest were shot down in cold blood and 38 were maimed and injured. Unfortunately, no heads will ever roll for this monstrosity!

Sort of like GWB never fired and even promoted those multicultural politically correct moonbats whose incompetence led to 9/11. Instead, GWB just appointed an idiotic 9/11 commission to sweep their incompetence under the rug and to justify doubling the size of the federal government under the guise of protecting the homeland and to also make accommodation, per his Saudi and Gulf States benefactors, for Muslim immigration and all the excess baggage it carries along with it.

Don’t look now but this country is being auctioned off by our so-called leaders and not necessarily to the highest bidders. Unfortunately, there will be no more America left over for our children and grandchildren. It is a very sorry and sad state of affairs and I don’t like it one bit!

The part that I highlighted in red is the ONLY part of your post that I feel is wrong. I don't think that ALL of them are bad. Just by the numbers there has been only a small % of problems compared to the total numbers. This is just my opinion and you are free to express yours as long as it does not involve racial slurs ( as some one above tried to insert just to cause problems for those that truly want to debate the topic ). I'll leave it to the other posters to correct each other where they might see things in a different light. All I ask is that you guys do it in a respectful manner and "try" to follow the rules. :thumbsup: