[Fozzy]

Other than the FIASCO of Vitenam, which we LOST....we lost nowhere NEAR the number of Amrican Soldiers in the fight against Communism, which was supposed to be our greatest enemy! Krushev said he would destroy US without firing a shot.... yet, we tore down the wall without GOING TO WAR!

Really? Aren't you mincing words? Both Korea and Vietnam were wars against communists and wars by proxy against those countries at the tops of the chain. To claim we lost no where near the troops in actions against communism is just not true and selective at best. At some point in time this is going to have to stop being all about George Bush for you.

That's all I'll have to say about this.

[mommee]

Originally Posted by jd112488

i got a teared up. very sad and a very nice story. god bless everyone ecspecially the brave men and women protecting my family and our freedom!!! 911...never forget!!

plus one.

[Ridge Runner]

At some point in time this is going to have to stop being all about George Bush for you.

:clap::clap::clap:

[Ridge Runner]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Nope. Not from me. Sorry. The story was great.... and moving. But, this line was an addendum from Mr. Boortz and was insulting and demeaning.

ONE of the "people running our country" would be the Chief of Staff Raum Emanuel (sp) and HE has family who have been at war with Islamic Jiihadists for more years than WE have been. Bush the 1st went to war with Saddam NOT because he was "harboring" or abetting Jihadists... but, over an agressive action against a signatory of the Geneva Convention (Kuwait.)

8 years later.....

Dubya "feigned" a war in Afghanistan against the terrorist group that attacked us on 9-11, and then executed a "pre-planned" war against his nemesis Saddam, A SECULAR ruler, under false pretenses. 4,000 or more American soldiers have made this "trip" home because of his imperialistic visions. And, because he "telegraphed" every action he took..... UBL still escapes us. :hellno: And as long as he lives.... are we any SAFER???

We are embroiled in a deadly war in the Mid-East that started in Afghanistan, spread to Iraq (due to OUR involvement there) and now has moved to Pakistan. And our BIGGEST successes have come from UNMANNED drones targeted with the help of Pakistani intelligence services. I will go to my grave believing that we could have KILLED UBL within six months with the help of "clandestine" groups and "special forces" or targeting vehicles.

I have nothing but RESPECT and admiration for the American soldiers who gave their lives for the FAILED policies of our last "dear leader," but MOST of them died to win "freedom" for Iraqis.... which was NOT my top priority!

It may not have been YOUR top priority, but I bet it was to the people of Iraq.

MY FREEDOM was NEVER at stake! And is NOT AT STAKE TODAY! An ISOLATED attack against our "symbols of economic power" does NOT rise to the level of an invasion of America! And it CERTAINLY wasn't a justification to change the "way of the World" that had existed for centuries!

with their stated goal ...... never mind..... talking to a brick wall

9-11 was a CRIMINAL attack, yes.... terroristic.... and it should have been met with a concerted action of finding the small band of criminals and either bringing them to justice OR blowing them off the face of the Earth!

If it was a small ban, then WHO have we been fighting against?

Even CLINTON knew where UBL was at one time, and had him "targeted!"

Then why was he not taken out then????????


Dubya, sent him to ground by waging a war! We're NOT going to change Afghanistan. They've been growing poppies for centuries! We are NOT the world's "drug police!" OUR economy is suffering, and some of you want to blow our budget on rebuilding THEIR economy? :hellno:

IMHO, it is a toss-up as to whether or not Iraq's democracy will survive and flourish.... and what business was it of OURS? And was it WORTH the 4,000 dead we invested?

Other than the FIASCO of Vitenam, which we LOST....we lost nowhere NEAR the number of Amrican Soldiers in the fight against Communism, which was supposed to be our greatest enemy! Krushev said he would destroy US without firing a shot.... yet, we tore down the wall without GOING TO WAR!

I think you better re-read your history.


If you "want your country back" you need to let OTHERS have their own country back. THEY are defending THEIR country, and THEIR way of life, with the SAME dedication that you claim is the reason you are attacking them! What would you EXPECT them to do?

Once again... I am a Veteran. I WAS and WOULD be willing to lay down my life for my country..... WITHOUT being called a "HERO" for doing my job! But, I am against the WASTE of our BEST Americans for anything LESS than the defense of OUR country. And I don't believe that "nation building" in Iraq OR Afghanistan qualifies!

The "people running our country" are currently extending the same "war effort" that Dubya got us into.... so SHUT THE **** UP! And pray to God that their policies of diplomacy will somehow "tone down" the level of agitation that continues the violence!

That "diplomacy" is what got us where we are today. You can't reason with someone that whose only goal is to destroy us.

[Malaki86]

If you want to see a REALLY good movie, check this one out:

Taking Chance

Plot: Based on real-life events, Lt. Col. Michael Strobl, a volunteer military escort officer, accompanies the body of 19-year-old Marine Chance Phelps back to his hometown of Dubois, Wyoming.

I watched this movie a couple weeks ago and it was absolutely amazing.

[mommee]

i saw that movie. i was on the verge of tears.

[Malaki86]

Originally Posted by mommee

i saw that movie. i was on the verge of tears.

Same here. It definitely defines true honor. I had no idea that it was that involved. I highly recommend this movie.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Malaki86

Same here. It definitely defines true honor. I had no idea that it was that involved. I highly recommend this movie.

I saw it a couple of months ago when Fozzy first mentioned it. Like Mommee, I was not only on the VERGE of tears.... I cried openly. I cried for the LOSS of the soldier and his family, but mostly out of PRIDE for the dedication of the American Military, and the RESPECT that "our generation" has come to show for our fallen.

It should come as no surprise that I absolutely REJECT the opinion that one cannot be against "the war" and yet still SUPPORT our troops! We have the FINEST military in the World.... comprised of the BEST of our young men and women! The LOSS of those lives, if it continues, could be an insurmountable blow to our SOCIETY.

Other than the obvious benefit to population control.... I can see NO GOOD REASON for the loss of a SINGLE American soldier, in the PRIME of his/her life, unless it is to protect our country from INVASION or SEDITION.

WWI and II were different. We had to be "dragged" into those wars, but we did so because the RESULT of inaction would have changed the geopolitical face of the World! And not the LEAST of our considerations would have been the TRADE and ECONOMY of the World.

But, a RATIONAL mind cannot find such a simlance with our current war! NO ONE can compare a band of Islamic terrorists to the military MACHINE of Germany! NO ONE can justify deposing Saddam.... a SECULAR despot though he was... WHO WE ONCE SUPPORTED.... with the necessity of stemming the raging imperialism of Nazi Germany!

We KNOW that Iran is closer to a nuclear power than Saddam was, but.... are we going to war against THEM? :hellno:

Sorry.... this reply was about the movie "Taking Chance." I saw it. I cried. I highly recommend it! I ALSO saw something in it that many of you probably missed. There WAS a "hollywood liberal" moment where they made their case against the war. I can't remember what it was right now, so don't ask. But, it was THERE. And I was "amused" by that fact.

[golfhobo]

Edited out this intro because it didn't come out the way I meant it. Not picking a fight with you, Ridge.... just an interesting debate.

GH: I have nothing but RESPECT and admiration for the American soldiers who gave their lives for the FAILED policies of our last "dear leader," but MOST of them died to win "freedom" for Iraqis.... which was NOT my top priority!

RR: It may not have been YOUR top priority, but I bet it was to the people of Iraq.

And WHAT of the "priorities" of the people of Rwanda? I don't even think Iraqi's "freedom" was the top priority for most Americans! And the TRUTH of the matter is.... the Iraqi people were not CLAMMORING for freedom!

They had one of the most civilized AND free societies in the Middle East or East Asia (wherever they are!) They had lower unemployment than most countries in the area. They had Universities, Museums, JOBS and the best HIGHWAYS. They even had RELIGIOUS freedom (not like those under Taliban rule.)

GH: MY FREEDOM was NEVER at stake! And is NOT AT STAKE TODAY! An ISOLATED attack against our "symbols of economic power" does NOT rise to the level of an invasion of America! And it CERTAINLY wasn't a justification to change the "way of the World" that had existed for centuries!

RR: with their stated goal ...... never mind..... talking to a brick wall

I understand your frustration, because I understand your misconception. FIRST.... what did IRAQ have to do with Al Quaida?

And second.... how is it that we "co-existed" with Muslims for CENTURIES before this "Jihad" was waged? We SUPPORTED and trained the Mujahadeen in Afganistan, from which UBL comes, against Russian domination. Do you EVEN KNOW what set him off? Do you understand the ONE thing that is at the ROOT of his anger at America? :eek2:

GH: 9-11 was a CRIMINAL attack, yes.... terroristic.... and it should have been met with a concerted action of finding the small band of criminals and either bringing them to justice OR blowing them off the face of the Earth!

RR: If it was a small band, then WHO have we been fighting against?

We have been fighting against the YOUTH and the FUNDAMENTALISTS among the Muslims who he RECRUITED after we "fullfilled" his prophesies of the "coming American invasion!" WITHOUT the "invasion" by Dubya, he would have HAD NO propaganda with which to recruit THOUSANDS of Jihadists! He would have remained "marginalized" within his own community, and we could have found him easily and snuffed him! Remember that the Koran teaches AGAINST the needless taking of innocent lives! PRIOR to our invasion, MOST Muslims would have, and DID, frown upon his tactics!

GH: Even CLINTON knew where UBL was at one time, and had him "targeted!"

RR: Then why was he not taken out then????????

Because he was being "visited" by HIGH RANKING members of so-called "friendly" Muslim countries. The ramifications across the ENTIRE Muslim world would have been devastating.... somewhat like what happened after BUSH attacked!

I'm surprised that you don't KNOW about this. Oh wait.... perhaps you only get your info from "Right-wing" sites!?

The IMPORTANT fact from this situation is that.... UBL thought he got away with it (his last attack) and was standing out in the OPEN! I suspect he might have done the SAME after 9-11 had we not DECLARED WAR and tipped him off!

4,000 plus dead American soldiers later, we are still LOOKING for the cave he is hiding in! Had we treated it as a CRIMINAL action, we could have utilized our clandestine sources (both American AND foreign) and found him once again out in the open.... and ENDED THIS THING with ONE cruise missile attack! Justice served!

But, THEN came the "cowboy" BUSH! He declared his intentions through a MEGAPHONE at the site of the attacks. TALK about "aiding and abetting" the enemy! :hellno:

GH: Other than the FIASCO of Vitenam, which we LOST....we lost nowhere NEAR the number of Amrican Soldiers in the fight against Communism, which was supposed to be our greatest enemy! Krushev said he would destroy US without firing a shot.... yet, we tore down the wall without GOING TO WAR!

RR: I think you better re-read your history.

Okay.... you and Fozzy have made this point and it IS a valid one. Korea IS the "forgotten war." But, I DID say I was EXCLUDING vietnam (and should have included the PROXY war in Korea.) I was referring to the timeframe AFTER Kruschev made the comment I highlighted!

Kruschev was convinced that he would "destroy" America by imposing his beliefs upon us.... without firing a shot. It didn't HAPPEN! Neither will the Muslim fundamentalist "sharia law" take over America.... OR defeat us on the battlefield. And CERTAINLY not on our own soil!

The USSR collapsed through DIPLOMATIC measures and military strength. But, MOSTLY due to their OWN failed economy based on "communistic" practices. Score one for capitalism. But... do not forget the October Revolution of the "masses" against the privileged ruling class!

I guess my point was that... IF handled properly.... I see no more danger from fundamentalist Muslims than I saw from Communists! The ONLY people who are/were screaming that the sky was falling were the RIGHT WING M/I/C succophants who are bent on World domination or protection of the RICHEST CLASS!

And, of course.... those who listen to Rush Limbaugh and that BECK idiot! :hellno:

[b00m]

Whow!!!

Amazing story! Thanks for posting and make sure you email it to others too.People need to hear these stories, and not the hollywwod bs drama or something else that our media is pushing in our throats.

Gob bless the family!