[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by Jumbo

Obama sucks, Palin sucks, McCain sucks, Clinton sucked (ok Monica sucked Clinton just stood there) , both the Bushes sucked, Reagan sucked, Kennedy sucked, Nixon was a crook. Great forum. Glad I could express my political views.

Great...
Now, may I have your vote in 2012???

[Jumbo]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

So.... I guess that means you LIKED Carter? :rofl:

Hated Jimmy, loved Billy

[Jumbo]

Originally Posted by Windwalker

Great...
Now, may I have your vote in 2012???

At least when you are confronted with your affair/ political scandal YOU would have the guts to stand in front of the American people and say " I did not sleep with Ms. Lewinski, Not one wink, WE WERE UP ALL NIGHT". You have my vote. Now come out of that closet with those skeletons and lets get you elected.

[GMAN]

YOU need to read this !!!

Doesn't matter which party you belong to, this makes sense. I'm in favor of term limits for everybody.



545 vs 300,000,000





EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it............ Is up to you.

This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid..

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the mostprosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.



What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?
I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!!
GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!

[Syncrosonix]

Originally Posted by BanditsCousin

Vote for Pedro

[GMAN]

"The Proposal"






When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well..













Wall street, and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of "tough decision", and his board of directors gives him a big bonus.

Our government should not be immune from similar risks.

Therefore:





Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members.





Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State)..





Then, reduce their staff by 25%.

Accomplish this over the next 8 years





(two steps/two elections) and of course this would require some redistricting.

Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include:

$44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200 pay/member/ yr.)

$97,175,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1.3 Million in staff per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the Senate every year)

$240,294 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel ear-marks each year. (those members whose jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15 Billion/yr)

The remaining representatives would need to worksmarter and improveefficiencies. It might even be intheir best interests to work together for the good of our country!

We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your representative is doing.

Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers, cell phones to name a few)

Note:
Congress did not hesitate to head home when it was a holiday, when the nation needed a real fix to the economic problems. Also, we have 3 senators thathave not been doing their jobs for the past 18+ months (on thecampaign trail) and still they all have been accepting full pay. These facts alone support a reduction in senators & congress.

Summary ofopportunity:

$ 44,108,400 reduction of congress members..

$282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff.

$150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff.

$59,675,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members.

$37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress members.

$8,073,383,400per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to start!)

Big business does thesetypes of cuts all the time.

If Congress persons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, tax payers could save a bundle.





Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.(One term? That also sounds like a good idea. One and out - no retirement).

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by GMAN

Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.(One term? That also sounds like a good idea. One and out - no retirement).

And, then, we impose term limits, and they only get half the retirement if they're not there for 4 full terms...:clap:

[golfhobo]

GMAN posted this: (doesn't mean he's RESPONSIBLE for it)

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

Please give me some citations to prove that America, in 1909 (BEFORE Ford invented "mass production") was "the most prosperous" OR had the greatest GNP/GDP in the WORLD!

We had absolutely no national debt,

This may well be true... but, it proves nothing considering the HUGE amount of natural resources we were exporting to the world and the LACK of any real infrastructure except a few RAILROADS west of the Mississippi. [ Not to mention that it predates even the FIRST World War! ]

had the largest middle class in the world,

AGAIN.... I'd like to see some PROOF! "MY" recollection of Circa 1900 is a few Land Barons and Financiers.... and a WHOLE lot of poor people working in "sweat shops" in the big cities, and a bunch of farmers and ranchers in every "rural" area of the country.

and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

I can't believe you allowed yourself to "quote" this! What a SEXIST remark! I "understand" the Conservative belief that a MAN should bring home the bacon, and a WOMAN should RULE the house and kids. Men are just not too good at that. But.... to make a statement that IMPLIES that life was BETTER in this country when Women were "glorified housekeepers and Nannies.... goes beyond the pale!

100 years ago, Black men had barely been recognized "legally" but not yet in reality! Women, had YET to even earn or deserve (according to law) the RIGHT to a political opinion or a VOTE!

Wages for BOTH "classes" were FAR below that of a white man.... regardless of their abilities, loyalties or dedication to this country.

Let me give you ANOTHER statistic to consider:

100 years ago, men didn't DIVORCE their wives, leaving them to support WAY too many kids with NO WAY to work and make equal wages!

This is the very CRUX of the disparity between Conservatives and Liberals. You want to "conserve" the ideals and so-called "values" of the PAST.... and WE want to face the realities of the present and build equlity for the future. YOU reminisce about the PAST.... WE plan for the FUTURE!

Time marches on! LEAD... FOLLOW.... Or get OUT OF MY WAY!

I just don't understand how SOME people can "GLORIFY" the sacrifice of both men AND women in Iraq and (to a lesser degree) Afghanistan to fight aganst the Tyrianny of the Taliban who treat women as less than CATTLE.... yet, BY THEIR POLICIES.... do no better here at home!

In the OLD days.... they would have called me a "Women's Libber!" NOW they would accuse me of supporting Gay Rights. I don't care! I bellieve my Great Great Uncle died to defend HUMAN rights.... American's rights! And I believe the Declaration of Independence DECLARED them and the Constitution protects them.

It really matters NOT that they put "constraints" on them! What matters is the LAW! The "spirit" of the Constitution is that ALL Americans deserve equal protection under our SECULAR law. And WAY too many servicemen and women have died to "extend" this right to others.... while at HOME we clog up Congress with debates about "ammendments" to clarify the definiton of a MARRIAGE!

GET OVER YOURSELVES! This is a nation known as a "melting pot" of different nationalities, cultures, religions and "free thinking beliefs." What we have in COMMON is our desire to be FREE from oppression wherever and however it raises its ugly head!

Where we DIFFER is in our COMMITMENT to our ideals.

Again.... I want to point out that this is not an indictment of GMAN. He only "pasted" the propaganda! I rail ONLY against the propaganda!

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

I rail ONLY against the propaganda!

Because it doesn't agree with your own propaganda?

[GMAN]

This country did much better when we had no debt. We were a moral country 100 years ago. Women and men had clearly defined responsibilities. They worked together to provide a home for their family. Today, men and women don't seem to know what they should be doing. I heard a minister speaking this morning. He said something that goes along with this. He talked about when he grew up in the late 1960's. Girls were required to take home economics and boys were required to take shop. They no longer require these classes and as a result, women don't know how to cook and men don't know how to fix things. What he was saying is that we no longer know how to take care of ourselves. The constitution provides for equal rights. We have equal rights but may not have equal abilities. There is nothing wrong with ideals of the past. We need to remember our past. One major reason we are in the current mess is that we forgot the lessons of the past. History is repeating itself. 100 years ago most people raised their own food. Farmers were the backbone of this country. Most people may not have had a lot of money but they were rich. They had a strong belief in GOD, family and country. People were not afraid to express their views. The industrial revolution led to a strong middle class in this country. This country was built by a strong people who fed the world. Most of these wienie's today could not even feed themselves. The people who built this country didn't depend on a government to take care of them. They relied on their own grit and that of their neighbors. And I am still trying to figure out what women wanted to be liberated from? If you look at the kids of today it must have been that they wanted to be free from any parental responsibility. You will never be able to please everyone. What you can do is do what is right. Many people are afraid to do what is right because it may not be politically correct or hurt someones feelings. I think my views are pretty basic. I believe something is either right or wrong. There is no in between. If something is mostly true then it is wrong. I don't think we need to deliberately hurt others feelings. But I do think that we need to decide what is right and don't deviate from those ideals just because it may be unpopular or politically incorrect.