I could NOT have said it better! Limbaugh is a nuisance, but Hannity is IMHO an "enemy of the state!"

:bow::bow::bow::bow: "The Orange Bear!"

 

What's really unfortunate is the fact that this bill won't be much more effective than that of the previous administration, and for the same reasons. "Too little, too late". No, I'm not saying it needs to give us more money to spend, but it does need to discourage "out-sourcing", and encourage domestic production of the goods we use. Simply providing us with more spending money is not going to do that.

 

Did I say your stupid? Did I insult you in some way? I'm pretty sure that I didn't and I don't remember calling you an idiot either! Just read what I did say and do your own research, the only thing I'm assuming is that your smart enough to do so LOL
I'm not here to insult anyone, I believe in our rights and that includes freedom of speech even if I don't agree

 

GH i will read that link you posted and get back on that but not now ( it's 0330 and been a long day). One thing that gets me about this bill is how fast they had to push it thru and no one had time to read it! Yeah that's "change we can believe in " I believe we just got screwed!
My wife is a nurse and alot of the nurseing aides are all ready talking about what there going to do with there windfall from this bill, some are even saying they want to quit and collect there check! We already take to much reponsiblty away from the people and the result is people wanting/demanding the gov. do this and provide that!
Oh well i'm rambling ... Good night

 

OH, yeah...

A "RAPID TRANSIT RAIL LINE" between Los Angeles and Las Vegas... That's going to provide jobs around our country, won't it.

Or, the grants to veterans in the Phillipines. No, they do not deserve to be forgotten like the rest of us, but how is that going to stimulate the American economy?

And, what does the average American get out of it??? About $13/day... Or was that $0.13/hour??? Woopy-ding... Yahoo... I feel so stimulated, I think I'll go find a bathroom to sit in. Where are the jobs going to come from?

 

Windy, NO bill could possibly create ONE job or type of job that will apply and affect everyone in the country. It has to be made up of projects HOPEFULLY spread around the country.

Now, I understand that MANY see this rail line as a "pet project" (some call it pork) for Sen. Reid's homestate, but let's look a little deeper....

To answer your question, such a project will create MANY new jobs supposedly for California and Nevada residents. Nevada has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country, so they NEED some jobs. You're talking about a massive and long term project here!

Furthermore, Las Vegas is a MAJOR weekend destination for residents in the L.A. basin. So, providing a high speed rail line will reduce fossil fuel emmissions (and fuel consumption) AND greatly reduce traffic on the I-15 corridor. This will ultimately save lives, reduce degradation of the highway, and stimulate tourism for Vegas (many don't like to drive that far.)

So.... you are "downing" one single project, for ONE area of the country, that will put hundreds to work, contribute to the "greening" of America, and probably increase tax revenue for the governments who will collect the ticket prices for the rail passengers. It should also reduce gasoline consumption, and declaring our independence from OPEC is part of the plan.

Now, just WHAT part of this idea do you think is so stupid? :roll:

Assuming that projects like this will be equally spread around the country, the effects will be positive for MANY Americans.

 

I'll play. It costs $8 billion (that we'll be borrowing).

As per usual, I'm staying out of the partisan elements of the debate and conceding whatever parameters you have chosen to set. Crunch the numbers and explain how you justify the price tag. A billion is a thousand million, as you're well aware. Have at it. Positive effects for "MANY" Americans? How many, exactly, for $8 billion borrowed dollars. (I can name one, but that would go against my nonpartisan mandate, wouldn't it? )

 

Vito, as I've said before.... I'm not an economist. But, most of THEM agree that "spending" (even deficit spending) is an effective way to "recover" a failing economy.

I didn't create this mess, and no one is asking ME how to fix it. I'm just along for the ride like everyone else. But, the wheels were put in motion, and the decision was above my paygrade.

I'm only attempting to explain to those who have a "knee jerk reaction" to the plan, what little I know of how or why it will help.

I heard the other day that the total price tag on this bill worked out to 2,000 for every man, woman and child in America. Now, averaging out the Twilight Flyer clan and the Octomom clan with those of us who are single, that would mean (I'm guessing) about 8,000 dollars for every family of four. That's alot of money for sure. But, if it keeps us from entering a depression, where many MORE of us would lose our jobs, and we'd lose say 30% of our economy (as happened in the 30's) It would be worth it... at least to the family that relies on their 50,000 dollar annual income.

I'm not sure if that makes sense to you, or even to me. I'm just saying that MANY Americans would rather lose 8,000 out of ONE year's salary, than to lose their JOB and their HOME.

I realize this is not the end of the money that will be required. Hell, Japan spent 3 trillion and they have what? a fifth of our population?

I have no way of postulating how much tax revenue, long term, will be generated by all the people who get these jobs or use this service. But, I believe that the economists believe that the return justifies the expense.

This particular project, at 8 billion, works out to about $20 per citizen of the U.S. If I had MY way.... the rich businessmen who own the casinos in Vegas would pay your part, my part, and eveyone else's part!

But, the hoarding Conservatives won't let ME decide who pays for the mess that has been created by greedy businesses who have shipped our jobs overseas to save 20 cents per "widget!" :roll:

 

www.recovery.gov

 

More like $2400 or so.

Your point is irrelevant, because they are not giving $8000 to a family of four. That would be something called a "tax cut", and is something that Democrats are against. At least for those who are paying the taxes.

A little less than half.

Those "greedy businesses" shipped those jobs overseas because consumers such as yourself didn't want to pay $0.20 more per "widget".