Drill here, drill now, pay less
#11
06-18-2008, 06:55 AM
http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34292&am
Ol'e Hill's
Main Squezz Bubba Big Dawg Bill Clinton VETOED the Drilling up north in ANWAR IN 95', That's one of the reason UR paying the PELOSI Premium now, Demo's & Enviro's! IT'S all Conservation, Don't Ya Know, Just listen to Barack O'Bama . He stated that they JUST didn,t Expect it to go up so Quickly.Ya GoTTa Luv IT 8) :idea:
#12
06-18-2008, 09:28 AM
They say that it's "THE AMERICAN WAY", to get "TOP DOLLOR" for your product. And, that's true... BUT....
It's also "THE AMERICAN WAY", THAT WHEN ONE PRODUCT IS PRICED WAY OUT IN ORBIT (and we don't even know which planet it's orbiting...), WE COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT THAT DOES THE SAME JOB, BUT WITH PRICES THAT ARE DOWN TO EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And there is a REPLACEMENT. But, it will take a transition period. And our government, that seems to consider OIL to be a sacred cow needs to subsidize the people to switch over. Our government needs to give our own a commitment with a very high priority over any foreign nationals on our soil. If they can't bring down the price of oil, then SEND IT THE SCRAP YARD :!: :!: :!: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
__________________
( R E T I R E D , and glad of it)
YES ! ! ! There is life after trucking. a GOOD life
#13
06-18-2008, 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by Windwalker
And our government, that seems to consider OIL to be a sacred cow needs to subsidize the people to switch over. Our government needs to give our own a commitment with a very high priority over any foreign nationals on our soil. If they can't bring down the price of oil, then SEND IT THE SCRAP YARD :!: :!: :!: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
We are YEARS from any alternative that will get the job done as well as oil does. If crap like Ethanol is so damn great why does it 1) need to be HEAVILY subsidized by our taxes to stay in the market; 2)cost as much per gallon as regular gasoline and 3) give you 1/3 less miles per gallon for the same price and 4) is forbidden for use is most of the engines on the road now? Let's not mention all the global food shortages because stupid leftist politicians and those looking to get obscenely paid tell you it's a good idea to put foodstuffs in your gas tank instead of on your plate. The leftists idea of "energy dependence" is legislating everyone into a battery powered car by 2012. They prefer to allow Cahvez, Putin and OPEC to determine our destiny, our national security. The two greatest farces levied on the ignoramuses that are the American society nowadays are 1) global warming and 2) that we can't bring up and use our own oil. But then again how much oil/gas does their lord Al Gore use?
#14
06-18-2008, 01:53 PM
"HWD" Wrote:
The two greatest farces levied on the ignoramuses that are the American society nowadays are 1) global warming and 2) that we can't bring up and use our own oil. The issue of drilling our own oil is not one of our ability to drill for oil, but rather the high cost of drilling it. Can it be drilled and harvested?? Yes!! Can it be done cheaply?? No.
#15
06-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 776
Originally Posted by Useless
My "Useless" Thoughts On The Matter:
Originally Posted by HWD
Oil has NEVER had to be subsidized because it works.
We are YEARS from any alternative that will get the job done as well as oil does. If crap like Ethanol is so damn great why does it 1) need to be HEAVILY subsidized by our taxes to stay in the market; 2)cost as much per gallon as regular gasoline and 3) give you 1/3 less miles per gallon for the same price and 4) is forbidden for use is most of the engines on the road now? Let's not mention all the global food shortages because stupid leftist politicians and those looking to get obscenely paid tell you it's a good idea to put foodstuffs in your gas tank instead of on your plate. The leftists idea of "energy dependence" is legislating everyone into a battery powered car by 2012. They prefer to allow Cahvez, Putin and OPEC to determine our destiny, our national security. The two greatest farces levied on the ignoramuses that are the American society nowadays are 1) global warming and 2) that we can't bring up and use our own oil. But then again how much oil/gas does their lord Al Gore use? www.americansolutions.com
__________________
"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government strong enough to take everything you have" - Thomas Jefferson
#17
06-19-2008, 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Useless
My "Useless" Thoughts On The Matter:
1.) The answer is not going to be found by drilling for more oil. This is a long term problem that has been festering for a couple of decades now. We should have been developing an energy policy and developing alternative fuels over two decades ago. What we have here is the equivalent of the old story about the man whose roof leaked. He was too lazy to fix it when it was clear and dry, and he couldn't fix it after it started raining. Now, here we are in the same position. Yup...we are always hearing the same story from the mouth-pieces every year aren't we. Why can't they ever get it right? 2.) The Gulf of Mexico holds a very large reserve, but it is down deep, and drilling for it will be very expensive, so that really isn't going to reduce the price of gasoline. Contrary to what many people believe, the Outer Continental Shelf is not the most expensive place in the world to drill for oil; the Gulf of Mexico is. Actually the GOM is one of the least expensive areas to drill in water. Yes...drilling in "Deep Water", such as BP's Thunderhorse & Atlantis platform's are doing now, or Shell's Brutus and Mars platforms, is expensive, but the single largest expenditures, is the construction of the drilling and production facilities. Most deep water exploration is done with the drill ships' that have been in use mostly in international areas such as Angola/Congo, South Africa, and Brazil. Discoverer, the drill ship working for BP in GOM, came back from Angola, Chevron paid to have the Glomar Explorer refurbished and put back into service, after 15 years in "mothball". Drilling on either the East or West coasts would be about the same cost's as in GOM..if steel didn't climb any higher than it currently is, and the drilling companies could find the people whom could be trained up and willing to do the work...that is the hardest thing right now...finding the people willing to go out there and work. The reserve in the Arctic Tundra in Alaska would also be expensive to drill, and at current demand rates, the entire reserve would produce enough oil to carry us for less than six months, so that is not going to lower the price of oil, either. Your right...the Arctic areas alone will not fill the needs...even if the new pipeline, that will drop down through Canada (which has been started), were contructed to carry both Natural Gas and Crude, instead of the NG that it has been designed for. As far as drilling for oil inland, what most people do not realize is that while we do have some inland reserves, many of the formations which hold those reserves are terttiarried in such a way that vertical drilling would not be economically feasible; in order to be economically viable, exploration companies would have to employ directional and horizontal drilling. The drilling process is very slow, and very expensive; consequently, while our supply could be augmented to some degree, there would be no cost saving benefit to the consumer. Now...while most new wells do start as the "old style" vertical well, once the "payzone's" are identified, the rig goes into "directional" drill mode, and they drill horizontally through each payzone. If they could do a sideshot picture, most wells today would look like a pole with spines off of it. 3.) An adequate oil supply is only part of the issue.... refining is another matter. The fact is that gasoline is one of the least profitable products a refinery can produce. Without an economic incentive, (as in a price for the product that would encourage companies to build refineries) there is no incentive to build new refineries. For those who grumble about excessive government regulation, I would invite you to consider the explosions at the BP refinery here in Texas. Shoddy maintenance, combined with lack of regulatory compliance and oversight was what contributed to two separate explosions that crippled our nations refining capacity. Yup...all those refineries they closed and dismantled, instead of updating, sure would come in handy wouldn't they. You gotta wonder how the regular folks in California feel, when they think of the refineries that were closed there over the last 20 years...that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 refineries. 4.) For those who whine about government oversight and regulation, I would remind you that while refineries can have extremely deleterious consequences to the environment, the danger to human life is even greater. Refineries can explode when things go wrong, and a lot of people can die.... end of story. So, without higher gasoline prices and tax incentives, there will be no incentive to construct new refineries. 5.) Even in a best case scenario, oil is dirty, it is nonrenewable, and it is becoming increasingly expensive to drill for it. These circumstances are not going to change. Unless we prepare for the future, we will be left at the mercy of the wills and whims of OPEC, and we will be left to pay for our foreign policy failures. So, What Is The Answer?? Alternative Fuel Sources. I have long been an advocate of hempoline, which is derived from hemp oil. It is clean, it is abundant ,it is replenishable, and it grows in abundance in may parts of the world, including the U.S.. This is not a matter of developing new technologies; it is simply a matter of reviving old technology. The Ford Model T was designed to run on hempoline. Hmmmm...Woody Harrelson is all for it.....and hemp oil actually makes more sense than ethanol and bio-diesel made from food products. At least hemp production will not raise food prices. Hemp production would alleviate the need to cut down trees to make paper. Paper, BTW, requires a lot of energy to produce, and producing it is comes with environmental consequences as well. So, instead of cutting down trees to manufacture paper, we could instead be making parer from hemp fiber. Don't believe me?? Take a look at our nation's Constitution. It was WRITTEN on hemp paper. Clothes?? William Levi invented "blue jeans" for those who were drawn to the California Gold Rush. Prospectors wore them because hemp clothing doesn't wear out the way most conventional clothes do today. The truth is that we will not completely alieviate our need for oil, at least not within the foreseeable future; but we CAN significantly reduce our need and demand for it, tell OPEC to "stick it where the sun don't shine", preserve our environment, increase our air quality, provide "green collar jobs" that can't be sent overseas, and we could save a ton of money doing it.
__________________
Space...............Is disease and danger, wrapped in darkness and silence! :thumbsup: Star Trek2009
#18
06-19-2008, 03:36 AM
Originally Posted by mommee
I think part of the problem is with the automotive industry too. They were unwilling to change. It's only recently that they are now starting to manufacture cars that use alternative power sources. Had they done this decades ago, we would have lessened our oil dependency somewhat. I'm pretty sure we had the technology then. You are always seeing these cars of the future in the auto shows. Why not make them a reality.
Just my 2 cents...
__________________
 Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. -------------------------------------------- The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. -- J R R Tolkien
#19
06-19-2008, 05:43 AM
Originally Posted by Rawlco
Originally Posted by mommee
I think part of the problem is with the automotive industry too. They were unwilling to change. It's only recently that they are now starting to manufacture cars that use alternative power sources. Had they done this decades ago, we would have lessened our oil dependency somewhat. I'm pretty sure we had the technology then. You are always seeing these cars of the future in the auto shows. Why not make them a reality.
Just my 2 cents...
#20
06-19-2008, 11:22 AM
Sadly, that's the way things are in marketing. I guess that's the business cycle. We wanted SUVs. We got them. Now we want economic cars, that's what is marketed now.
Now we have our globel warming scare, high fuel prices, and a down turned economy. Manufacturing, marketing and selling is changing, regardless if we want it or not. |
