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It was the right thing to do.. there was no crime committed and to convict this guy, you'd have to convict the entire media and jail them. This was another witch hunt from the left and an attempt to get either President Bush, dick Cheney or Karl Rove... PERIOD! This had nothing to do with ANYTHING else.
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#12
Oh...hell...all this time ...
I thought what Libby did (and it's pretty hard to dispute the fact) was to give false information to a grand jury. If he did so deliberately, that's perjury pure and simple, regardless of what he was perjuring himself about. Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI. They sent Martha Stewart to jail for charges of lying to federal investigators and obstructing justice. I believe I would disapprove of this Pardon regardless of Political office. But please Pardon me if you will...because...I blame my honest recollections for any misstatements on a faulty memory. :roll: That being said...I do not see justice to expect a man of this caliber to have to reside in the same prison with regular liars and scum. We really desperately need a new 5-star Gentleman's Facility. I'm am afraid however it could quickly be filled with most of our Current Administration. Hell...here is a thought...lets convert the White House....to a correctional facility. :?
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We actually invaded the WRONG COUNTRY in 2003. Since 19 of the 20 hijcakers of 9-11 were Saudi's we should have gone SOUTH out of Kuwaitt instead of Northwest into Iraq we should have gone into Saudi Araribia. One small problem there we would of been fighting our own top of the line Equipment meaning F-15's M1A2 and Bradleys would have been interesting in the least to see who would have won that one. As for Bush commuting Libby's sentance he just lost any political capital he had left with Congress he had left. Mitch Mc Connell the Minority Leader of the Senate told him last month not to do it and the Minority leader of the house said the same thing also.
We have a President that called the Constitution of the United States the very document this nation is based on and I am quoteing him ver batem here Just a Piece of PAPER Yooper that is what he called that scared piece of Parchment that the founding fathers like Washington Jefferson Franklin and Adams and Hamilton wrote and gave to us over 200 years ago.
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Yoopr hit is dead on, even if it was a cut-and-paste job. As far as pardoning convicted criminals, all presidents do it. Clinton simply took it to new heights that will never again be seen. And yeah, Clinton was a scumbag, although I will certainly admit that he was a smart one. He didn't garner the monicker "Slick Willie" for being a short-bus rider.
And speaking from a neutral standpoint, Bush did not pardon Libby. He commuted the 31 month prison sentence, of which Libby would probably have served 12 months, if that. Libby still has probation, still has a felony, and most important of all, is still responsible for his $250,000 fine. That's hardy a pardon and this is not the political whirlwind that democrats seem to think it is. In the overall scheme of things, it shouldn't even be a blip on the radar...it was that minor. But in today's political climate, even a sneeze will garner front page headlines. :roll:
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
We actually invaded the WRONG COUNTRY in 2003. Since 19 of the 20 hijcakers of 9-11 were Saudi's we should have gone SOUTH out of Kuwaitt instead of Northwest into Iraq we should have gone into Saudi Araribia. One small problem there we would of been fighting our own top of the line Equipment meaning F-15's M1A2 and Bradleys would have been interesting in the least to see who would have won that one. As for Bush commuting Libby's sentance he just lost any political capital he had left with Congress he had left. Mitch Mc Connell the Minority Leader of the Senate told him last month not to do it and the Minority leader of the house said the same thing also.
We have a President that called the Constitution of the United States the very document this nation is based on and I am quoteing him ver batem here Just a Piece of PAPER Yooper that is what he called that scared piece of Parchment that the founding fathers like Washington Jefferson Franklin and Adams and Hamilton wrote and gave to us over 200 years ago.
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Originally Posted by trux
Well, Scooter is still a lawyer with a felony conviction, which is as bad as a trucker with an "abandonment' decision.
Neither one is going to be able to do what they used to do. Ever again. Heck, a trucker with a drug conviction is more likely to drive again than LIbby is to practice as a lawyer again. My opinion is that Bush did nothing wrong, and in that case to the American people he can't do anything right. So who does he really have to answer to on this decision?
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
We actually invaded the WRONG COUNTRY in 2003. Since 19 of the 20 hijcakers of 9-11 were Saudi's we should have gone SOUTH out of Kuwaitt instead of Northwest into Iraq we should have gone into Saudi Araribia. One small problem there we would of been fighting our own top of the line Equipment meaning F-15's M1A2 and Bradleys would have been interesting in the least to see who would have won that one. As for Bush commuting Libby's sentance he just lost any political capital he had left with Congress he had left. Mitch Mc Connell the Minority Leader of the Senate told him last month not to do it and the Minority leader of the house said the same thing also.
We have a President that called the Constitution of the United States the very document this nation is based on and I am quoteing him ver batem here Just a Piece of PAPER Yooper that is what he called that scared piece of Parchment that the founding fathers like Washington Jefferson Franklin and Adams and Hamilton wrote and gave to us over 200 years ago. Bush didn't exonerate all of Libby's sentence-Just the Prison time and one other thing-One, or possibly more Jurors, said that they HOPED that President Bush WOULD Pardon Libby
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I stand corrected. I need to looked closer at the news and I have been preoccupied with the 4th events, my niece coming for her wedding at my Farm, and for some reason, I heard Libby was Pardoned.
I do agree with the commuting of the sentence, but I doubt I would still be willing to agree with a full Pardon...which I understand is not ruled out yet. And then...I could just stick to doing jokes...he heeeeeeeeeeeee...and not worry about crap like this all together. :lol: Happy 4th Bro's...I luv ya! 8) Pardon me please... :? ...Hog
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Yoopr I do not want ot get a mod mad at me but remember this about Bush he has taken away Hebas Corpus the foundamental right of ALL good Legal systems. All someone in the DOJ has to do is declare anyone an Ememy Combatant and off you go with NO WAY TO FIGHT THE ChARGES IF ANY brought against you. You can not even have a lawyer file a Hebas Corpus which means where is the body in latin in court since he Decided that does not apply to Combatants at all. He was told by the leaders of his own party in Congress do not do anything with Libbys sentance at all yet him being the Decider did what he did. Yes I can not stand the man for the simple reason he lost his focus and went after the wrong man that being Hussian which was contained instead of keeping after Bin Laden and finshing his butt off.
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
Bush he has taken away Hebas Corpus the foundamental right of ALL good Legal systems. All someone in the DOJ has to do is declare anyone an Ememy Combatant and off you go with NO WAY TO FIGHT THE ChARGES IF ANY brought against you.
As far as Bush, wait let me get this correct. Congress taking Habeas Corpus away is a dam good thing. Enemy Combatants don't deserve ANY rights. Lets also be honest, how many American's have been mistaken for Enemy Combatants? |
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