IMHO We (humans) are pretty much a mutation rather than an evolution...

 

Slim, if you can think of DNA as a ladder, think of the rungs on the ladder. Each rung comes in one of four types: some rungs are say, orange on the right side and blue on the left, some are blue on the right side and orange on the left. Some are red on the right and green on the left, some are green on the right and red on the left.

The rungs are not actually these colors, but I'm using this description so you can get a mental picture to work with (actually instead of colors there are four chemicals, which are known as A, T, C, G, [short for adenine, thymine, cytosine, and guanine.] "A" sticks only to "T", and "C" sticks only to "G". Because the rungs can point either way, you can get four possible letters on one side of the ladder, so a DNA fragment can be spelled like this: CGGGTATTTAACGATTCGAA. What matters is the order of the letters, because they serve as the template to form RNA, which in turn serves as the template to form the proteins that make up your body.)

It looks something like this:

C--G
G--C
G--C
G--C
T--A
A--T
T--A
T--A
T--A
A--T
A--T
C--G
G--C
A--T
T--A

The order the rungs are in makes us what we are. Just like a computer does everything it does with only two pieces of information (ones and zeros) DNA does with only four (the type of rung and what order they are in.) Each one of these "rungs" is called a "base pair".

Humans (and chimps) have 2.3 billion base pairs in their DNA. The chance of each base pair being in such similar order is the next best thing to impossible. Consider how many combinations you can get with only one set of the four rungs. Now consider how many combinations you can get with two sets (a total of eight rungs.) The relationship is not linear, but exponential. Seriously, the odds are astronomical, a number so huge it almost has no meaning. Chance is out.

We are not descended from chimps or the other apes living today. Humans and chimps are both descended from a common ancestor (the other apes are too, but branched off earlier than humans or chimps, which is why their DNA is less similar.) They went one way, we went another. The reason we are so close is because we each branched off from this common ancestor fairly recently.

Notice that none of this precludes the existence of God. The Bible says that God puts us through a crucible to separate the gold from the dross. There ain't a crucible harsher than natural selection.

I imagine there were a few gazillion bacteria who felt the same way about chlorophyll. :wink:

 

WOW,
Its amazing how he says monkeys and humans are 99.9% the same and yet in the real world unlike the science world we are very, very different. Last time I checked monkeys don't reason very well. They don't trouble shoot very well either. They don't speak English or any other intelligent language. I don't think their math skills are top notch. They do understand food though... Give them a treat and they will do whatever you want them to do. Until monkeys start teaching us their language I wont be impressed and I wont say Humans and monkeys are even on the same page. They are a neat creation of God but past that they are worthless non souled (is that even a word) pets or food depending on your tastes.
Do people eat monkey, is that like a delicacy in Africa.

PS, If you give a monkey that is 99.9% similar to humans a lock picking kit would he ever be able to figure out how to get out of his cage????


off the subject.... I saw a bumper sticker today it read....

Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark.

 

Neither do you.

Evidence that eugenics is not an outmoded concept. What do you think Fozzy? Set the bar at a minimum I.Q. of 120? :twisted:

 

No need to attack anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Lets see if I can throw something out there, so forgive my spelling, and my lack of supirior scientific intelligence.


Ok, --

God made man in His Image.
The beast of the earth, in who's Image did He make them?
I believe, that everything on Earth is made from a pattern in heaven, For EX: The OX---The is Angles, 1 in Particular that is spoken of in Eziekiel and Revelation, that has the face of an OX. Could the cattle and the like be made by God in this Image?
Another Angel--has the Face of a Lion--same question?
Another Angel--has the face of a Eagle--Same question?
Another Angel--has the face of a man--diffrent question?

Lets indulge.

OX==Domesticated animals
Lion==Wild animals
Eagle==birds
Man==Mankind as in Primates

The only one's that are missing are the reptiles and fish.
There are 2 Angles in the bottomless pit, and there name in Hebrew is Abbadon, in Greek is Apolyon.

What I find interesting is the 4 that I spoke of, all 4 stand befor the throne of God, worshiping Him. If Lucifer when He fell took a 1/3 of all Angels with him, that would mean there where 6 befor the throne. I looked up the word beast that is used for these 2, and they mean destroyer, also the word beast that is used is diffrent than the others, it means poisinous Snake. Could this be the Image of the Lost.

God says Creation itself will help you understand.

So to be a dirivitive of a Ape or whatever, I think not!!
We might have some or all of the same DNA, but that only makes sense, since we, including the Angels have the same Creator.


Soo Mundaka, I agree with you on God vast mind, and His creativeness, but I cannot agree that we might have derived from apes or the like.

 

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

2 ?Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?

3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 ? Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,

7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 ?Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;

9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;

10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors;

11 When I said,

?This far you may come, but no farther,
And here your proud waves must stop!?

12 ?Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
And caused the dawn to know its place,

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?

14 It takes on form like clay under a seal,
And stands out like a garment.

15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the upraised arm is broken.

16 ?Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?

17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you?
Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.

19 ? Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,

20 That you may take it to its territory,
That you may know the paths to its home?

21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
Or because the number of your days is great?

22 ?Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,

23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is light diffused,
Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

25 ?Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
Or a path for the thunderbolt,

26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
A wilderness in which there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?

28 Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?

29 From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?

30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 ?Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?

32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 ?Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?

35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, ?Here we are!??

36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?[b]
Or who has given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
And the clods cling together?

 

Job 41

1 ?Can you draw out Leviathan[a] with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?

2 Can you put a reed through his nose,
Or pierce his jaw with a hook?

3 Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?

4 Will he make a covenant with you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?

5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
Or will you leash him for your maidens?

6 Will your companions make a banquet[b] of him?
Will they apportion him among the merchants?

7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons,
Or his head with fishing spears?

8 Lay your hand on him;
Remember the battle?
Never do it again!

9 Indeed, any hope of overcoming him is false;
Shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him?

10 No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.
Who then is able to stand against Me?

11 Who has preceded Me, that I should pay him?
Everything under heaven is Mine.

12 ?I will not conceal[c] his limbs,
His mighty power, or his graceful proportions.

13 Who can remove his outer coat?
Who can approach him with a double bridle?

14 Who can open the doors of his face,
With his terrible teeth all around?

15 His rows of scales are his pride,
Shut up tightly as with a seal;

16 One is so near another
That no air can come between them;

17 They are joined one to another,
They stick together and cannot be parted.

18 His sneezings flash forth light,
And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lights;
Sparks of fire shoot out.

20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils,
As from a boiling pot and burning rushes.

21 His breath kindles coals,
And a flame goes out of his mouth.

22 Strength dwells in his neck,
And sorrow dances before him.

23 The folds of his flesh are joined together;
They are firm on him and cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as hard as stone,
Even as hard as the lower millstone.

25 When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid;
Because of his crashings they are beside[d] themselves.

26 Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail;
Nor does spear, dart, or javelin.

27 He regards iron as straw,
And bronze as rotten wood.

28 The arrow cannot make him flee;
Slingstones become like stubble to him.

29 Darts are regarded as straw;
He laughs at the threat of javelins.

30 His undersides are like sharp potsherds;
He spreads pointed marks in the mire.

31 He makes the deep boil like a pot;
He makes the sea like a pot of ointment.

32 He leaves a shining wake behind him;
One would think the deep had white hair.

33 On earth there is nothing like him,
Which is made without fear.

34 He beholds every high thing;
He is king over all the children of pride.?

 

Are you talking to me? If so, try and address me please. By the way what does eugenics is not an outmoded concept mean?
Sorry I am not into academia or mental masturbation. I don't get off by using big words.
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WOW,
Its amazing how he says monkeys and humans are 99.9% the same and yet in the real world unlike the science world we are very, very different.

What is the "real world"? Monkeys have been doing quite well in the real world well before the times of man.
Really? Look at the world around us. Humans are reasoning that its prefectly acceptable to slaughter other humans in large numbers. Where are the cases of monkey concentration camps?

Really? Again, in their world, Trouble shooting doesnt involve much. They do use tools and they survive pretty well. Monkeys thrive in the world were humans cannot. They are vastly superior in living off the land while doing no harm.

False. Monkey communicate very well. Humans have taught great apes to communicate to us in our language, why can we not speak to them in theirs? To smart? I think not!


Why would a monkey need math?

So will Paris Hilton.. whats your point?
Nor will I, Monkey live in a much better world than we would ever hope to live in.

The creatures on this planet who claim to have souls historically have cause EVERY problem since the dawn of time. What problems do we face in the future do to monkeys? What problems do we have as it relates to humans? These souled creatures build killing feilds and launch death and pain. Monkeys make us look really pathetic.

Why would a monkey be locked in a cage if it werent for man. Humans are the only creature that locks up things that they cannot understand. I go back to the concentration camps theme.. why do souless creatures not have any history of killing others for simply being?


Yeah? and The Titanic accident killed a little over a thousand people.. Religion has intentionally murdered millions of humans. Go stick that in your arc.

 

Don't know how to use the quote feature, eh? No problem, I'll do it for you.

Your English is horrible. You write like a knave. You don't know how to use your mother tongue, yet you expect me to take you seriously when you engage me in debate? The tools of debate are words. Learn to use them.

Who else did I quote?

Oh, I plan to.

Don't know how to use a dictionary either? Yet you still think you know enough to criticize those who have spent a fair amount of their lives making sure they know what they are talking about, through hard work, endless hours at the books, research, and discipline. People like Slimland, for instance: his knowledge of scientific matters is sparse, but he has studied his faith with the same rigor, and it shows. I respect him for that and treat him accordingly. You offer uninformed sarcasm, and so any useful information and possible persuasion you do offer is lost in your attempt at ridicule -- the classic tool of the tyrant.

You wouldn't make it in "academia", as you so quaintly put it. In this situation you should use the accusative case, academium.

Couldn't get past the other kind?

I imagine not, in fact they must be rather painful for you, considering you don't know how to use the small ones.

Let's get down to brass tacks, shall we? Slimland and I have been having a friendly and respectful debate for some time now. We are both Christians, but we disagree on some issues. He has been respectful, I have been respectful. You butted in like a sloppy drunk in a bar and started hurling insults. Don't be surprised by whatever reaction you get.

That said, I am still willing to treat you respectfully, but you will have to show me some respect first, because you initiated our exchange disrespectfully.