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yoopr
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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again-you have no clue and what you may have learned choke setting Really makes you a expert on Intra-state logging rules and regs doesn't it? :roll:
Question 27: Are custom harvesters who harvest trees for tree farmers eligible to be considered "custom harvesters" for purposes of the FRSI waiver from selected CDL requirements?
Guidance: If the State considers a firm that harvests trees for tree farmers to be a custom harvesting operation, then its employees could qualify for the FRSI-restricted CDLs, subject to the stringent conditions and limitations of the waiver provisions in §383.3(f).
Doesn't even apply to the arguement-nice try though :roll:
"Custom harvesters" :P
You know nothing about logging or log hauling other than your "Guidance" book :P |
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Papa Rick
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Location: North Alabama
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Man I tell you what, getting hold of the D.O.T. office in Alabama is harder than getting on American Idol.
Every time I could call them during the day all I got was the answering machine.
I called the Alabama Forestry Association and spoke with a gentleman about the 150 air mile radius, and he told me that it was in fact a 120 air mile radius.
I asked him about crossing state lines with this, and he told me that you needed to carry the FMCSA, and show them the reg in there about the 120 air mile radius.
Now for the crazy part, just when I was going to ask him where this was at, I lost contact with him, (my cell phone), and could not get back in touch with him, as it was quitting time when I lost contact.
So, now I have a question:
Does anyone know where I might find this at. |
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Papa Rick
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing so far that I have been able to find is this:
e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if:
(e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;
(e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Papa Rick wrote: The only thing so far that I have been able to find is this:
e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if:
(e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;
(e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;
like I said-If you stay within the State(and like I said before check with YOUR state rules and Regs cuz states differ) record when you picked up your logs-Where you picked them up and Where you delivered them to and at what time.
You'll be fine. |
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Papa Rick
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't FMCSA take authority over state rules and regs? Not for sure so that is why I am asking. |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Let me give you an Example for my State(Michigan).
We're allowed(Intrastate) to haul 160,000 Pounds of Logs(This includes I-75 but all roads in my area are 2 lane but I could, if there was a reason, to haul a load Downstate on I-75.
If we were to stay strictly with Federal Rules and Regs we couldn't do that.
That is the reason I suggested you contact your state(Alabama) because all states are different on Intra-state Regs.
I suppose that's clear as mud eh? :P |
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Papa Rick
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, I understand what you were saying to start with. Sometimes it takes me a little longer to get it. I appreciate it. |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| PS-I used to run LA(Lower Alabama alot at one time-not logs) but there were alot of log haulers on Highway 43, which I ran, going to the mills at Jackson, Alabama. |
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Papa Rick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well I still have not talked to DOT yet, but did talk to a firm who specializes in initial DOT audit and the 120 mile rule for Alabama.
They are putting the information in the mail today, and will post more when I get it and figure it out. |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Papa Rick wrote: Well I still have not talked to DOT yet, but did talk to a firm who specializes in initial DOT audit and the 120 mile rule for Alabama.
They are putting the information in the mail today, and will post more when I get it and figure it out.
Are you anywhere near Hwy 43 or Jackson or you up by Huntsville? There's alot of Log haulers on that road-Why don't you talk to them? There's alot of signs along that highway where they come out to the main road(43). Just drive in and ask them. |
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Papa Rick
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I live in Northeast Alabama, Dekalb County which borders Jackson County to the west, TN to the North, & GA to the East. The reason I am not asking other log drivers yoopr is the 5 that I have talked to all have different ways of doing the Time Sheet.
One guy told me that he has to send his to Montgomery every 3 months, and the other 4 know nothing about this?
How they do their fuel is also different. 2 log it, and 3 don't even log it at all.
2 Have the same kind of time sheet, and the other 3 were made on the computer using a spreadsheet.
When asked about what happens if DOT pulled them over to check, finally got a uniform answer: (Heck they never ask for our time sheet, they want to weigh us and check our Truck and Trailer out).
This is the reason for me trying to find out the right way to do this. I am not saying these 5 were all doing it wrong, I just don't want to find out I was doing it wrong either during a DOT Audit, or check on the side of the road. |
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Dawn
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: Logging or not |
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Papa Rick wrote: I live in Northeast Alabama, Dekalb County which borders Jackson County to the west, TN to the North, & GA to the East. The reason I am not asking other log drivers yoopr is the 5 that I have talked to all have different ways of doing the Time Sheet.
One guy told me that he has to send his to Montgomery every 3 months, and the other 4 know nothing about this?
How they do their fuel is also different. 2 log it, and 3 don't even log it at all.
2 Have the same kind of time sheet, and the other 3 were made on the computer using a spreadsheet.
When asked about what happens if DOT pulled them over to check, finally got a uniform answer: (Heck they never ask for our time sheet, they want to weigh us and check our Truck and Trailer out).
This is the reason for me trying to find out the right way to do this. I am not saying these 5 were all doing it wrong, I just don't want to find out I was doing it wrong either during a DOT Audit, or check on the side of the road.
You can't go wrong in the mean time by logging it! MHO :D |
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Papa Rick
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Location: North Alabama
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got the answer from the Alabama DOT!
I do not have to use a log book as long as I don't go over 100 air mile radius (118 regular miles) from my Headquarters (Home). I will use a time sheet that has:
Start Time, End Time, Total Hours, Driving Hours, Truck Number and Headquarters on it that I have to fill out.
On any given day if I go over 100 air mile radius, then I must use the log book for that day, and then go back to the time sheet when I go under 100 air mile radius.
I asked the Alabama DOT about crossing into GA & TN, as far as the reg goes, and he told me this was not a State Law, but Federal and that most all DOT and State Troopers knew this one well, especially for loggers.
I really appreciate all of the advice and information concerning this matter. |
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Jumbo
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I will put in my two cents in. I have been pulled over on the state line between MI and WI (50 miles from home base) going to Michigan and coming from Michigan and BOTH the Wi and Mi dot wanted to see drivers license, registration, medical card and log book, since I was transporting a commodity across state lines. |
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