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mrpersons
Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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Location: tidewater area of Virginia
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: Saving fuel |
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Just wondering if anyone has any personal, well documented improvement in fuel milage with any of these "bolt on" devises such as the so called "turbo d" or like items.
Just finished a coast to coast run with my Frieghliner classis, 3406E. Overall fuel milage for the run was 6.6, which I'm very pleased with, but could always be better! |
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Rev.Vassago
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Saving fuel |
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mrpersons wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any personal, well documented improvement in fuel milage with any of these "bolt on" devises such as the so called "turbo d" or like items.
Just finished a coast to coast run with my Frieghliner classis, 3406E. Overall fuel milage for the run was 6.6, which I'm very pleased with, but could always be better!
The only bolt on devices that I have found to work are the turbo wings that go on top of the sleeper.
Anything that bolts onto the engine is likely "snake oil", as the technology has never been proven. If they really did work, they would be installed OEM. |
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billgrover56
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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Location: Rochester, NY
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: Snake oil |
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Ethos Fuel Re-Formulator has millions of road tested miles and is saving fleets 10-15% and more. I'll gladly e-mail you some testamonials or you can go to the site for yourself. www.ethosfr4u.com. This "snake oil" has proven itself.
email me if you want some specific info. |
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allan5oh
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Location: jackassville (winnipeg, mb)
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| I've never seen solid proof that these things really work. I've heard a few drivers talk about it, but when you ask a few questions, you get a clear picture that these drivers don't really use proper records for comparison. |
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billgrover56
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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Location: Rochester, NY
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: A testamonial |
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This comes from the 2nd largest trash hauler in the US. :
Does Ethos FR work?
This is the very most important question to ask, for if it doesn’t, nothing else matters. Jerry Schnitzius, General Manager of the San Diego area operation of Allied Waste Services came to the meeting and told us of his company’s experience with Ethos FR. Being a trained mechanic, he said there is no such thing as "a miracle in a can," and it wasn’t until Enrique De Vilmorin’s 7th visit that he consented to allow Enrique to put some of that stuff in one of his trucks. And when he finally did, he made him put it in an old truck that was about ready to go to the junkyard. Ethos FR immediately reduced the opacity (blackness of exhaust smoke) from 80 to 20. Opacity is one of the most important tests on diesel engines in California. Still not convinced, they tested it on more trucks for six months (totally at Ethos FR’s expense) before giving the go ahead to put it in all trucks within Jerry’s operations. Since 2000, the average opacity for the entire fleet, is approximately 10, they won the Earth-Day award in the community for reducing pollution and harmful emissions by 500 tons per year.
Most importantly, to a huge publicly traded company, they have saved $34 million in fuel consumption in 6 years. The employees now use Ethos in their personal vehicles and Jerry said, "If it doesn’t work, it’s because you don’t use it." They put Ethos FR in the fuel, crankcases and transmissions of all their trucks. The decision has been made to use Ethos FR by Allied in Texas and soon across the nation by all Allied operations.
Allied Waste Services the second largest waste management company in the U.S. and is currently burning about 2 million gallons of fuel per day. Do you honestly believe they would continue spending millions of dollars per year for a product that doesn’t work?
Ethos Environmental has been around for 10 years but they just started marketing to the general public this past April through a new company called 4-E corp.
The stock symbol for Ethos Environmental, Inc. has been released and ETEV is the new symbol.
Check out this information: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ETEV.OB or http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061115/108910.html
We are in 19 countries and growing.
I hope this helps. The product works or they wouldn't have over $100 million in sales. |
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mrpersons
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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No <b>Bill</b>, it doesn't cut the mustard.
Because that so called Testimonial came from you! Not Allied Trash haulers.
If your product is so good, send me a case or two, I keep excellent records of everything that goes in or goes on my truck. If it does as you claim, I'll pay you double your normal asking price....
Put up or shutup! |
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bob h
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Saving fuel |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: mrpersons wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any personal, well documented improvement in fuel milage with any of these "bolt on" devises such as the so called "turbo d" or like items.
Just finished a coast to coast run with my Frieghliner classis, 3406E. Overall fuel milage for the run was 6.6, which I'm very pleased with, but could always be better!
The only bolt on devices that I have found to work are the turbo wings that go on top of the sleeper.
Anything that bolts onto the engine is likely "snake oil", as the technology has never been proven. If they really did work, they would be installed OEM.
Amen Rev.
If these products were proven to reduce fuel consumption and lower emissions... wouldn't they be enforced into diesel fuel additive packages by the EPA?
Engine manufacturers are spending zillions of dollars in all aspects of internal combustion engine technologies to reduce emissions, often the result is (ironically enough) decreased fuel mileage... it's a teeter-totter that is near impossible to get control of.
Then, we see adds pushing this crap that claims to do everything the EPA is after... and MORE!!! |
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billgrover56
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| alright, let's work something out. email me at billgrover56@yahoo.com. I'll need some info about your truck. fuel tank size and that type of info. |
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Mike Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Please Bill.
Don´t use this board to market your SHI$.
Don´t try to take our hard work money. |
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Maniac
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: fuel tank size
What does tank capacity have to do with MPG???? |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Maniac wrote: Quote: fuel tank size
What does tank capacity have to do with MPG????
He's probably trying to sell those big green horse pills that you are supposed to put in the tank to get whopping MPG savings. :roll: |
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mrpersons
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Been over there on the "snake oil" site. One of the so called tests they pull uses a 1982 Toyota to show how good this stuff is for decreasing emissions. Get real and show me how much improvement using a new modern vehicle.
Seems the garbage haulers spent about $50,000 buying this stuff to improve emissions primarily. While it mentioned that the improvement helped to <b>defray</b> the cost of the product, I couldn't find anything to support the idea they actuall saved money using it.
$46 or so to treat $300gl. Hmmmmm...
Seems to me the general theme is that it works good on cleaning up and improving milage on older vehicles that should have been put out to pasture in the first place. The more efficient your engine is, the less benifit you'll see. |
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Neckster
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I tried it last night... and it was not that bad at all... you just need to get use to it!
I completed a 500 mile run last night and never went over 65 mph, most of the time it was around 62-63 mph, and even as low as 60 mph.
I usally run 70-73 mph on the open highway. My milage is usally around 6,2 mpg average. I average about 3,000 miles per week. I spend about $1,300 in fuel before the FSC, which here in NY is now at $0.025 per mile.
This does not include my BT miles which is around 70 miles per day. I couls cut my cost down by buying a "winter rat" car and leaving my truck at our annex. I would save around $150.00 per week in fuel cost.
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bob h
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Neckster wrote: I tried it last night... and it was not that bad at all... you just need to get use to it!
I completed a 500 mile run last night and never went over 65 mph, most of the time it was around 62-63 mph, and even as low as 60 mph.
I usally run 70-73 mph on the open highway. My milage is usally around 6,2 mpg average. I average about 3,000 miles per week. I spend about $1,300 in fuel before the FSC, which here in NY is now at $0.025 per mile.
This does not include my BT miles which is around 70 miles per day. I couls cut my cost down by buying a "winter rat" car and leaving my truck at our annex. I would save around $150.00 per week in fuel cost.
Neckster
What did you "try"... slowing down???
What do you have for gears? Big or small rubber?
What is your engine RPM @ 62 mph?
What is your engine RPM @ 72 mph?
Yeah, looks like you're burning app. 8 gallons/day on a commute?!?
x 5 days a week (at least) = 40 gallons...
...abt 175 gals / month
Hmmmmm, I don't have a calculator on me... so, I'll say that it's approximately "1 new car payment"... or, abt $450/ month.
...hope I didn't skip a step in that math... |
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special k
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| A friend of mine is the shop manager at a 100 truck outfit. Every time I go in his office he has a new paperweight from some salesman that gave him one for free to try out. If it saves him fuel they'll give him a deal on enough to outfit the rest of the fleet. So far he only has paperweights. |
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