California strikes again!

[SoCal79]

It seems that they have exhausted all other forms of smog reduction so now they are going after us. Every truck base plated in CA must meet 2007 emissions by 2009,and they want every truck that travels in and out of CA to be able prove a LOW NOX reflash of the computer. I have been making calls to the various Govt. agencies involved and get the same response, that this is real and it is going to happen. Here is a link to an info page (aimed at dump trucks) but you get the idea.

http://www.cdtoa.org/pdf_gov/CTN_09TruckSurvey.pdf

Good thing I didn't buy that 95 Pete I was looking at, looks like it will be worhtless in CA by 2010.

[GMAN]

Perhaps they would prefer to have their own trucks to meet at the border to carry their goods into the state.

[whthorse]

tell me about it....I have a 1995 freightliner and my baby a 1988 pete... both are gonna be useless. I suppose I could put the upgrade on the freightliner but that cost $20000.00 but my pete is to be scrapped... I'll be out of business...

[allan5oh]

Every truck base plated in CA must meet 2007 emissions by 2009

It doesn't really say that. Read it again.

and they want every truck that travels in and out of CA to be able prove a LOW NOX reflash of the computer.

For certain year vehicles(92-99) and certain makes. This is because certain makes "skirted" emissions rules and put out basically illegal engines. That's why there was such a huge lawsuit about 8 years ago. Instead of paying the EPA, the engine makers agreed to put that money(HUNDREDS of millions) into producing cleaner engines.

[no_worries]

While that info isn't exactly correct, it's not too far off. For all intents and purposes, all trucks must meet 2007 emissions equivalents by 2013. The older the truck the sooner it must be in compliance. Of course this is just the proposal as it's currently written. It's to be submitted by the middle of next year, so we'll see what happens.

tell me about it....I have a 1995 freightliner and my baby a 1988 pete... both are gonna be useless. I suppose I could put the upgrade on the freightliner but that cost $20000.00 but my pete is to be scrapped... I'll be out of business...

So whats going to become of older trucks going to Calif ??? I have a 86 Pete that I would not give up and have no desire to have or want to buy one of these newer problem-matic computer controlled trucks. :sad:

[whthorse]

the way it was explained to me anything older than a '92 would have to be scrapped. So what all my friends with older trucks are saying is that they dont want to put any more money into them. even though they have always kept them well maintained. Why put money into a truck the government won't let you keep. Its a shame too cuz most of these trucks are really good, well maintained rigs (like mine). As usual leave it to the government to stick it to the little guy. :evil:

I have a 86 Pete that I would not give up and have no desire to have or want to buy one of these newer problem-matic computer controlled trucks. :sad:

Your truck will have to be in compliance by Dec 2009

[PackRatTDI]

I have a 86 Pete that I would not give up and have no desire to have or want to buy one of these newer problem-matic computer controlled trucks. :sad:

Your truck will have to be in compliance by Dec 2009

The EPA really needs to yank the CARB exemption from the Clean Air Act. This is getting ridiculous. California is trying to basically legislate in other states and that's overstepping it's bounds. The Federal Government needs to say enough is enough.

[Bandit102]

Once it happens in CA, it will blow like a dense, stinking, fog of death to the other states as well.

[allan5oh]

Once it happens in CA, it will blow like a dense, stinking, smog of death to the other states as well.

Fixed.

[SoCal79]

It seems to be happening in other states as well,just searching for info on retrofit programs for CA some other states popped up. Alot of people are in panic mode and others dont seem to care or have the attitude that no way they are giving up their trucks. I did speak to a person at CARB and they said that they are open to input from people in the industry because they dont know how it will impact us making a living. He also said that they are under funded and under staffed so dont expect the hammer to drop right away. So I am just going to keep working and fly under the radar unless I get caught in a smoke test. I imagine by 2010 my 79 will be worth nothing in CA.

[Bobby]

[allan5oh]

The problem is, our trucks contribute massively to smog.

Catalytic convertors in gasoline engines take care of 99% of the smog forming NOx. They do not have a PM problem.

Those same convertors do very little in comparison on our trucks.

I think I read a study somewhere that attributed 80% of smog forming substances(NOx and PM) to heavy trucks.

[Mackman]

what is trucking becoming. This stuff really gets me worked up big time. God now am all fired the hell up from reading that link. this is all B.S.

[Bandit102]

I don't buy it.

[Orangetxguy]

Perhaps they would prefer to have their own trucks to meet at the border to carry their goods into the state.

Here-Here!!! Make a 25 mile zone like they used to have for the Mexican trucks!!! Let the denizens of LA and Frisco come out to the border areas for their merchandize!!!

[tinman789]

what is trucking becoming. This stuff really gets me worked up big time. God now am all fired the hell up from reading that link. this is all B.S.

what he said. this is bs!! since i learned that you'd better wash your truck before entering cali or you'll get a dot insp. i decided that anyone who needed me to move anything into or out of cali was going to need to meet me inside the border of a neighboring state.
it has to be them trying to squeeze us all out to make room for the mexican trucks. jb, schneider and the lot will have a bunch of 5.00 drivers running the road. you watch. in shiny new trucks!!!!

I have a 86 Pete that I would not give up and have no desire to have or want to buy one of these newer problem-matic computer controlled trucks. :sad:

Your truck will have to be in compliance by Dec 2009

Well Steve if thats the way it goes down then I'LL be out of bussiness if it spreads to the other states !!! I can live with-out Calif but if it spreads I'LL be finished. What about all those boys in Calif that have all those old chromed up trucks . Old Diamond Rieos n Macks n Kenworth Pete ect ect ect ??? I've seen some really really old ones late 50's n early sixty's n such !!! A lot of them pull containers out of the ports n such. Haul hay with those single axle cab-overs ect ect !!! My truck can't be compliant with 2007 standards with-out putting a 2007 engine in it ???

[PackRatTDI]

I have a 86 Pete that I would not give up and have no desire to have or want to buy one of these newer problem-matic computer controlled trucks. :sad:

Your truck will have to be in compliance by Dec 2009

Well Steve if thats the way it goes down then I'LL be out of bussiness if it spreads to the other states !!! I can live with-out Calif but if it spreads I'LL be finished. What about all those boys in Calif that have all those old chromed up trucks . Old Diamond Rieos n Macks n Kenworth Pete ect ect ect ??? I've seen some really really old ones late 50's n early sixty's n such !!! A lot of them pull containers out of the ports n such. Haul hay with those single axle cab-overs ect ect !!! My truck can't be compliant with 2007 standards with-out putting a 2007 engine in it ???

It would only affect other states if they adopted CARB standards. Otherwise they have to abide by the regulations set forth by the EPA. That's why the Federal Government needs to step in and yank the CARB exemption, or at least rule that other states that have adopted CARB must now surrender control to the Feds, or at the very minimum, rule that no other states can adopt CARB. CARB was created to deal with the unique situation in southern california that lead to the severe smog in Los Angeles. Those problems do not exist in New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Vermont, the 4 other states who have adopted CARB standards. CARB has really become irrelevant as modern technology has made requiring stricter emissions in California rather obsolete. It's more of a bureaucracy and red tape nightmare than an effective organization.