rebdarlin: perhaps when you grow up you'll realize that people can have equally valid opinions and they can also be different. That is why in the marketplace we have 109 different types of computers. Because what one persons opinion of the perfect one for him is is much different from what another persons perfect computer is.

And perhaps when you learn to read you'll understand that's EXACTLY what I said.


BTW way your numbers are wrong, there are not 109 types of computers. But that isn't what this topic is about, is it?

Originally Posted by golfhobo http://www.classadrivers.com/forum/i...s/viewpost.gif

There IS no right or wrong answer.
But there is.



No, there isn't. Not to my original question. There are only opinions and perceptions.

If it were only that simple. I'd be willing to bet I own more tools than most men, I hate even the smell of beer, and I know NOTHING about golf. How about a Gift Card? :lol:

Still waiting for you to show me where I invalidated someone's opinion on the original subject.....

After reading all of what was said, All I have to say is that if you want romance, or to be romantic, buy a cheap paperback. Read it, then come to the conclusion that trying to be romantic just comes off as being fake.

Romance, true romance, comes natural. It's what you are, and what you shall be. Romance is more of a linguring though of what a person will see when they think of you. If they didn't see you in that light, they probably never will.

You can try to be romantic. Light the candles, cook the meal... tell him he's the only one till the next guy... it's all a matter of perception.

And the right person for you will already have been "romance" by just who you are....

To that guy, you are the most romantic being in their world.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.

Well Reb has anyone really answered your question?? IMHO if a man is looking for romance then he probably still takes bubble baths by himself with candles petting his cat.. Uh Oh that wasn't nice now was it? Anyway a man is only in need of having his ego stroked, weather it be his looks (or lack there of) his hair (or lack there of) his teeth (or lack there of) his muscles (or lack there of) to his bowling balls (or lack there of and so on.. Is what you should look for is if a man can romance you. Now we all have are own panty dropping techniques and quotes and so forth, but after the panties come off will the romance continue. Not meant to sound sexist but it's the down right truth, coming from a man. So I guess at 47 thats why I'm' still single. hahahahaha. Cheers!

You leave my cat out of this. Lil Jack Jack has done nothing to you.

By simply stating as fact that there are wrong answers, you invalidate peoples opinions. That is not a fact, it's your opinion, and should be stated as such. At the very least, it should be pointed out so that people will take it as such. IMHO statements like that are arrogant and intolerant and may intimidate some people to the point that it keeps them from posting. Just sayin'.

I'll agree that there may be answers that are wrong for you or me, or someone else, but that doesn't make them wrong.


Nowhere did I state that you invalidated a specific post, or poster.

Sorry I wasn't more specific for you. I figured that a thread which required people to give their opinion on a hypothetical question wouldn't need "in my opinion" before every sentence. But I notice that you haven't chastised anyone else in this thread for giving their opinions without stating beforehand that it was an opinion - just me.:roll:

Did you get him from someone?

Ok RebelDarlin, I will try my hand at this, though this is what I consider Romantic.

The feel of a womans soft hands on the chest, it is that touch that not just feels good on the skin, but IMOP it is saying that "your mine and I give myself to you" not just phisicaly but emotionaly it is kinda like letting a gaurd down.. Instinctivly when My wife does this, it makes me feel like a protector, a lover, and it conveys the most emotional feeling that I cant even put into words that expresses it.. It is like she is giving herself to me, and though it is a phisical touch, it is the emotions that comeout.

Another is laying her head on my lap or chest, and if it is on the chest the hand also is there. That soft warm hand that speaks volums.

The words " I love you" is just as Romantic. Exspecialy comming from a Woman like my wife who puts more stock in action that words. So when she says that, then I am the one on the bow of the boat yelling "I am the king of the world"

It is the small things, the things that some don't even think about until it is gone.
It is the things that make a man feel like a man, the boosting of the ego in a soft suddle way.

As for sexy, Just a long Tshirt will out do any Victoria secret anyday for me.

Hope that helps.

Slimland

What Slimland said is VERY true for me. The past 3 weeks for me have been HELL around here called my parents both found out that they have very serious health issues on top of their already bad health. However last night even as I has pulling my hair out and trying not to go insane with all the problems I have been dealing with due to my parents my wife out of the blue goes have I told you lately HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU. It was the way she said it that told me that things were going to be fine regardlss of what happens with my parents that she will be there for me. Rebel being romantic is sometimes knowing WHEN to pull your partner back from the edge from all the stress they have been carrying also.

BTW, I hope your parents are well, IE.

Got the news today by the end of this year more than likely both will be dead. Mom has 4th stage Colon cancer that has spread already. Dad found out that he has Lung Cancer in his ONLY good lung.

Wow that sucks! My Grandmother just passed a few months ago from cancer, she had stage 5 lung cancer that had spread to the brain.

I am so sorry to hear about your parents, ironeagle. My wife lost both her parents to cancer.

Romance or appreciation?
 

In relationships, to be won or to be renewed, there seems to be stages of romance, appreciation, intimidation, acceptance, raw physical need, and quiet reflection.

I've always looked at relationships a bit like starting and maintaining a fire. You build a strong base of mutual interest, flirtation is the spark to to get the fire started, from there the fire gets it's first taste of real energy and burns hard and bright - but after a time it burns out that initial fuel and comes down to a steady burn; the addition of new material keeps the fire burning, and the occasional throw of gas on the flame get's it to jump - but a strong fire needs a solid fuel to see it through.

Notes in our lunch box, stuffed in our wallet... maybe tell us we don't need to suck it in quite as hard... as men we want to be "your man" and know you want to be with us - not stuck with us...

I had a girl once do the "naked on the bed in just a ****" in the middle of the afternoon, great idea - bad timing - if you have a 20 minute lunch and have to get back....well.... it was hard not to think about her and work, and hardly anything got done.

Do men need dinners and flowers? How about a day where we're told; "...today is your day..do what you want, I won't mind..." a day without a care would be about the most romantic thing a woman could do, a day where we're just men without the fear of losing the house, getting the paycheck or dealing with a boss that seems to less then care.

well, these are just my thought..hold them with a grain of sand. All men are different after all.

Sorry to hear, ironeagle. My granddad died of emphysema. He smoked for years. He wouldn't have lived as long as he did, if he had not have quit.

Jackrabbit I hear you my father quit 12 years ago however the damage was done. Now it is just spending as much time as I can with them. My wife and I are praying that he lives to see our last child born that is due right about the end of Spetember. My mother we think might have 8 months if so Chirstmas is going to SUCK this year AGAIN considering in 97 I had to bury my grandmother on Christmas EVE without being able to say bye to her since my company did not care enough to get me in so I could say good bye to her.

Alrighty then...You know Iron_Eagle, it is a sad fact of life that most of us out live our parents so at some point we have to deal with losing them. Be grateful for the time you have left with them. My Mom died in a car accident 3 days before Christmas, they cremated her on Christmas Day. No one had a chance to say good-bye to her, she was just gone.

That being said, this should have been posted in the family support forum, not as a hi-jack to this thread. Rev, can you please move IronEagles latest family crisis to the appropriate forum?


Back on topic...

Rev, no one else stated quite so emphatically that there were wrong answers to this. As you can see from reading some of the posts, what is considered romantic can be very different.

Glad to see Slim & Cluggy back and giving thoughtful responses.. And Slim I apologize for keeping Hobo so busy that you think he's ignoring you.

No. In your original post, you asked what men consider romantic. IronEagle told a story of something that recently happened to him, in which his wife did something he considered romantic. It is most certainly on topic.


This, however, is most certainly not on topic. Should I remove it? :rofl:

Yes, well back on topic. Reb, I think that there is a coolie carrier driver out there for you somewheres. (sic) First, you must obtain a Class A CDL of your own, lose the pretentiousness and...........be nice. For starters......

I'll be sure to chime in with further guidance as I see fit. You're welcome sugar!
:moon:

Rebel Darlin-----------sensitive female defined. No wonder you've run 'em all off! You don't need Rev and Hobo loverboys to explain this to you. Just walk up to the mirror!

Steven S. from Bayshore.

Rev.Vassago said:

It was NOT a "hypothetical" question. It was (as stated in the title) a "serious" question. And NO ONE was required (or felt the need) to preface their responses with IMHO.

NO ONE ELSE.... but you.... ARGUED with another's opinion, or said there WERE "wrong" answers. I purposely waited several days and about 2 pages before entering the discussion. But, as soon as I DID, you chose to take the focus OFF the original question, and argue with ME about MY opinion on the matter.

Not that I would shrink from a "discussion" with you about what is romantic, but it was NOT "our" thread. Personally.... I found YOUR first post as pathetic and unimaginative... but, I didn't SAY so! But, there was NO mistaking the fact that you attacked MY first post as being an example of a "needy" or "insecure" individual.... and THAT based on a misinterpretation of what I was talking about.

What I referred to has been replicated in some form in at LEAST 3 other's opinions! But, I DOUBT you could SEE that. :roll: I'm not sure that THEY even realized the similarities of our thoughts. The hand on Slim's chest is akin to the smile I mentioned upon waking. This thread was about what a MAN thinks is romantic.

Reb can't SHOW you an example of "invalidating" MY (or others') opinions, because you don't HAVE that power! What she showed you was your incessant need to DISCOUNT (or argue with) another's opinion... as if YOURS was the only "correct" one. [or more precisely, that MINE had to be somewhat invalid or infirm.]

Even IronEagle's FIRST post about his wife taking some stress off of him was HIS idea of romance. No one (not even REB) argued that point. And in YOUR defense, you said BTW.... I hope your parents are okay (paraphrased.)

Does ANYONE really understand what "by the way" means? It means, OFF TOPIC... OFF the "way" .... and AS A BESIDE NOTE....and then whatever you want to say. It is meant NOT to "hijack" a thread! IronEagle took that as an opportunity to discuss the most PERSONAL and depressing aspects of his PERSONAL life and others joined in. That most certainly SHOULD have been moved to the "family support" forum! It had NOTHING to do with romance.... and was a BUZZKILLER on a thread ABOUT "romance." [We "invade" the WOMEN IN TRUCKING forum often enough!]

And NOW.... in an effort to defend REB, and to a lesser degree, myself... I have now continued the "hijacking" of this thread, and that gives me NO comfort!

I will be surprised if THIS post doesn't "disappear" the way my "no such thing as east of the 80th parallel" one did! I guess when something gets "off topic" you just DELETE it! :hellno:

Unless, of course, it is YOU who goes off topic! :thumbsdown:

It isn't your call. You are not a moderator.

I have no idea what post of yours got deleted. I rarely delete posts, and don't even recall seeing the post you are referring to. The last I checked, there were at least five moderators on this board (not counting site owners) who have the power to delete posts.

Rev.Vassago said:

HaHa! Y'all couldn't PAY me enough to be a moderator on this board! But, I have a mind like a steel trap. I KNOW you have moved such posts to other forums before... and you DIDN'T move THIS one! I really don't care!

No... it WASN'T my "call." It was my OPINION! (AFTER the opinon of the O.P. who ASKED/Suggested that it be moved...Did you tell HER that she was not a mod?)

I've heard SEVERAL posters say that a post/thread should be moved. I've seen your response... DONE! I KNOW the "unwarranted" powers you have! I guess I waa surprised by your "selectivity."



HeeHaw! ROFLMAO! Thanks, Rev! I needed a good laugh! You've deleted more "posts" than Bush has deleted critical emails! Nixon bows down to you!

But, again.... this is NOT ON TOPIC. If you'd like to have a discussion about moderating, or missing posts, I suggest we take it elsewhere. I'm starting to feel guilty about YOUR need to hijack Reb's thread!

FYI.... I was talking about Kevin's thread about "the correct way." Toward the end of the thread, it strayed into some comment about "people east of the 80th parallell being stupid or such." Several posts followed. I made a simple post that there was NO SUCH THING as EAST of the 80th parallel.

MY POST.... and about a day's worth before it.... got deleted. I thought it had to do with the "maintenance," but I couldn't rationalize that as it took place a day or more AFTER the PST maintenance time.

There are NOT 5 moderators "active" on this board. There is YOU and Gman. I don't think GMAN would have deleted my post. I'm absolutely sure that I saw it appear ON THE BOARD. Then, I couldn't even find it in my "posts by hobo" on my own page.

You know.... we "mortals" can't even delete our OWN posts without typing something like the word "deleted" into the space. .....and must do so within a short period of time. But, YOU can make them disappear without even so much as a **** you or an explanation.

Dammit! I'm sorry, REB! I DID say I wanted to MOVE this discussion! I'm sorry for hijacking your thread even FURTHER than it already was!

If you REALLY want to know how to "romance" a man, meet me halfway some time, and I'll show you what it takes!

I KNOW you aren't interested in Belpre. An Indiana redneck has no standing with a classy lady like you! But, I got my EYE on Jumbo! That driver kinda "gets it." :lol2:

If someone asks that their own thread/post be moved/deleted/locked, we will do it as a courtesy to the poster who created the content. If someone asks that someone else's thread/post be moved, then it is up to the mods to decide if it is warranted. In this case, I felt that it wasn't, as the original reason the subject got brought up was in relation to the original topic. The fact that the thread took a different direction than what the OP would have liked is secondary.

I can assure you that I didn't delete them. I'm not even aware of the posts that you are referring to.

You would be wrong.

Rev is right about the mods, there are a few that login invisible, and there is a way to tell when they last logged in too even if they did it invisible but I am not going to share that information.

Rev.Vassago said:

I really have NO problems with your decisions on this matter, Rev. But, I do contend that the thread took a detour into some personal problems that IronEagle seems to always have. The original poster DID ask that his responses be "moved." In YOUR mind, you decided not to. So be it. Then there is OUR little "discussion." I asked or suggested that it should be moved... AGAIN you declined. That's 2 out of 2 requests from 2 DIFFERENT members (one of which was the O.P.) that YOU overrode!

So, here we are... STILL discussing something that HIJACKS the original thread. If THAT is the way you want this board to go, well then... why do we even NEED a moderator?

Oh.... and did you notice that your "hijacking" the thread into a discussion between us about moderating and such, has not ONLY taken away from our discussion of "romance," but has also silenced all OTHER posters?

You haven't questioned or argued with ONE single thing I've said about the original topic since you began discussing your rights/responsibilities as s moderator.

YOU might find your powers and responsibilites "exciting," but I do not.

I am just "burning" inside to discuss what YOU (as a divorced man) know about romance that I (as a divorced man with 20 years on you) apparently don't know.

I take you at your word on this, Rev. It is no problem OTHER than the fact that it seems to be a recurring situation on this board. I don't know about "others," but I hate to spend an hour composing a post only to find it deleted. In this case, it was just a simple observation, but best I can tell, an entire train of thought by Kevin was lost along with my short answer.

No I wouldn't. I am NEVER wrong. I was "mistaken" once.... but, that was years ago.

Name the 5 moderators who are active, so I can check their profile for their last posts.

And here I thought that this "hijacking" was caused by your incessant arguing about something that didn't even involve you originally. But Rebel Darlin can thank you for the fact that the discussion is now ended.