As usual you have turned this into something more than what was started. I only said it's not illegal to have a fake gun. I did not say anything about waving it around or pointing it at random people. If you are threatened by someone and you point a fake gun at them chances are they would back down. It's not illegal to own a fake gun so if you are planning on carrying a gun then why not a fake one? You won't be prosecuted for it and if your in a bad situation chances are the aggressor will back down. That's all....GEEZ

Hey Scoe

That incident with the covenant driver gettin shot by the north american driver, that also happened in texas about a year or so ago. A Celadon driver got shot or stabbed by another driver (unknown company name).

thanks for clarifying Windwalker
Wonder how many people are in prison because they tried to hold up a bank AND they are also charged with Armed Robbery because they had a Toy Pistol. Actually having their hand in their coat trying to imply they had a weapon would be Armed Robbery.

A handgun is easily concealed and that seems to be why states regulate it to various degrees. Why not carry a shotgun or even a rifle. For defensive purposes I guess a shotgun would be better. You have enough room in your truck to use it. You could even go to the trouble of having a legally registered Any Other Weapon (AOW) $5.00 fee vs. a short barreled shotgun $200.00 fee. Just keep your papers with you and they should superceed any state law. I am not a class III dealer so don't quote me on this. I do have all the state laws, I should go through them to find out in which states this would be legal.

the whole gun issue is complicated. different laws in every state, can't take a gun into canada, etc... I do have a big pry bar and a claw hammer.....

"You could even go to the trouble of having a legally registered Any Other Weapon (AOW) $5.00 fee vs. a short barreled shotgun $200.00 fee. Just keep your papers with you and they should superceed any state law. I am not a class III dealer so don't quote me on this."

Lucky I had the disclaimer, I know better, you can't take your Class III out of state without BATFE permission.

I was taught
 

I was always taught that every weapon is always loaded. And that if you are going to point a weapon at someone you better be ready to use it because if you get some crackhead with his own gun he will darn well be ready to use his. My father taught me that. My mother never wanted firearms in the house. BUT she beleived that was everyone elses choice to make for there own homes. She had no problem with anyone else having one. I own several. and if I could I would carey mine everywere. I am not a big person and yes I could be overpowered in a parkinglot if traveling alone. So drop the macho BS it really dosent fly with me. I would not hesitate to defend my home or family. Or freinds. Or myself. I am important to my family as well. I have heard plenty of accounts (not stories) were people have succesfully defended their homes, selves, places of work. and so on. You just dont get that from the gun control biased media. The 2nd amendment isnt about duck hunting. They dont get that.

I'll admit that I've been places (mostly metropolitan areas), in the wee hours, that I would have felt comforted if I'd had my .357 with me. You know the kind of place I mean. You back up to a wall so the thieves can't pop open the doors and steal your cargo. Doesn't protect you if they want to pop open a sleeper vent a spray something in there. You really need a gas mask and a gun in some places. I've been to some, they tell you "don't get out of the truck. We'll open the doors for you, close them for you, bring the paperwork out to you". Know the kind of place I mean?

If you want to carry a gun in a commercial vehicle, you need a license that allows you to carry that gun regardless of state, county, or city regulations. Only people I can think of with that kind of license are FBI and US Marshall. Good luck getting one of those licenses.

Next, your gun in only a short-handled club unless you have ammunition. If you have bullets, you need haz-mat endorsement on your CDL, and three (count 'em, 3) placards on the rig, regardless of the cargo in the wagon.

1) Explosion hazard.
2) Fire hazard.
3) Projectile hazard.

The rules for hauling ammunition are a good deal more strict than for other haz-mat in terms of "allowable quantities" that don't require placards. For ammunition, that's basically one (1) round.

So, to legally carry a gun while driving commercially, you need to satisfy all of the above requirements.

There is no reason to be carrying a gun on a truck. You what you have tire thumper baseball bat whatever lock your doors get a dog and if your still scared your in the wrong profession

Being scared is not the point. Its being prepared for the worst. its being smart. You wouldn't ask a police officer to go into those places UNPREPARED. Why would you ask an unprotected, insufficiently trained (in hand to hand combat) Trucker to do the same. Unless you are driving around with a police escort that is. And a dog is against company policy with alot of companies as well. As far as locking doors goes a lock is, "as I have been told a thousand times" only to keep the honest people honest. I have seen were thieves are better at opening your door than you are. As far as baseball bats and tire thumpers go. Well they are no match for a crackhead looking for a quick score if hes armed and your not. You have the right to your preferred method of protection why do you think its ok to deny me of mine. I believe it should be left to the individual to decide. That is what this nation is about everyone being able to do their own thing.

Classicxl, 'bout the only legal weapon a commercial driver can carry, is something like a dog! A tire-thumper against a gun is no match. A tire-thumper against some kind of chemical sprayed into the sleeper vents is no match.

But, since our occupation takes us into situations we can't control, we deserve some kind of dispensation in the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations which permit us to protect ourselves.

The most frightening moment I've had was in Cleveland. 6:30 AM, and folks are coming to work. I'm backed in to the dock. Big, mean, angry, looking black dude walking by says to me "Yo, dude. That's the wrong name to have on your truck!". Turns out the the name of the company I drove for at that time, is also the name of a rival gang in that neighborhood.

So, I'm left wondering if I will be dodging sniper fire on my way out of that part of town.

So, there I am with a tire-thumper against who-knows-what kind of fire-power, just wantin' to get out of that part of Dodge and get on with the business of earning a living.

If I'm engaged in the task of delivering goods and services to all parts of this nation, please allow me to defend myself against the crazies that I encounter.

Since 9/11, pilots on commercial aircraft now have the right to carry guns. Why can't I?

the freedom to bear arms but honestly tell me you want every truck driver in america to carry a gun. Who is going to do the training to prepare people who have never fired a weapon in there lives. Then you have a whole bunch of folks who dont believe in firearms so how do they protect themselves. Crime is not that rampant at truckstops just to many stories being embelleshed by others

No, I would like to see every willing adult, tained and allowed to carry where ever and when ever they desire, just like the Constitution says. There is no fear involved, just prepardness. You carry insurance on your vehicle, are you "scared" you are going to get in an accident?

now your talking apples and oranges. People many years before any of us were born gave up there rights because they did not go vote and were scared by the powers to be about crime. So here we are in today's world where you have to get permits to carry a pistol and in some states that is not going to get it. states say you cant carry a weapon across there state line. People need to get involved to get there rights back but with the generation of liberals and sheep that have been raised good luck on that

First, there is the issue of *option* to carry arms.

Then there is the issue of the *right to carry arms*".
OK. I'm a professiional driver,and I don't wan't to carry a firearm.
OK. Don't carry one. Make it clearly understood between you and your employer that, as a condition of employment, you will not carry a firearem. Your empoyer has no qualms about stating conditions of employent: neither should you!

Become an ajitator. If the gonverment will not give you the rigit of self defense, then DEMAND gonvernment defense of you!

You have the right to vote, if you are a citizen. Then excersice your vote. Vote for those persons who will support you in your bid for self defense. Vote against those who will not support your bid for self defense.

The folks who want public office want to impose their view of life upon all others. The only way they can get there is if we vote them into office. We can just as easily vote them out of office. We can dictate to them just what their view of life should be, according to our majority view.

Give us the right to defend ourselves, or, enact laws which provide for our defense.

And even if the only protection you have is a dog, in many locations, if that dog bites anyone, you can be held liable on charges of assault and battery.

Ok how many times have u heard of that happening???
Well I drive local and pick up cash for my deliveries. In the FIRST 6 months of doing this I was robbed TWICE!!! Two Mclane food service drivers here in memphis were robbed and KILLED not long ago. A pepsi driver, and an HT Hackney driver were robbed at gunpoint. When I drove over the road, I picked up "high value" loads every once in a while. When I picked them up I wasnt allowed to stop for 200 miles b/c people would wait till a truck got loaded then follow them till they stop and then rob them. If an amored car can carry guns we should also be allowed to. We often carry the same load value maybe sometimes more!!! I drive a truck to feed and support my wife and 3 kids...I want to go to work and make an honest living, not be killed and not be able to come home to them!!! If your worried about "CB Rambo's" shooting you...when they start with their childish trash talkin...TURN OFF THE CB!!! Your CB does have an OFF button doesnt it??? And besides I dont really care about a LAW i would rather be caught by DOT with a gun than be caught without it by a thieving murderer!!!

You really don't think those aren't carrying anyway, do you? You are much safer on the road because bad guys think you may be carrying. You are deriving the benifits from the actions of the ones that do carry. You are safer because of them. Have you hugged your gun today?

They were not worried about me carrying when they robbed me in my truck twice...Ive never been robbed at home...but either way I feel alot better carrying at home and on the road.

U obviously havent been robbed yet huh??? When u do get robbed u may think u are in the wrong profession!!! When u have a big GLASS window, a criminal wont even bother with a door lock. And if the criminal has a gun what is ur dog gonna do, eat his gun???

There are plenty of firearm training courses and instructors that can teach ppl to shoot guns. That "whole" bunch of ppl that dont beleive in firearms DONT protect themselves...there may come a time when u wish u could protect yourself...a time when ur tire thumper and ur dog just arent enough. I dont carry cause im scared i carry to protect myself. Like Terry said "You carry insurance on your vehicle, are you "scared" you are going to get in an accident?" Think of a gun as "life insurance" There will come a day when u change your mind about this!!!

If a tire thumper and a dog are enough then why arent our troops over in iraq carrying them instead of guns??? It would be alot cheaper...it would save us some tax dollars.

There are plenty of statistics about firearms used in crimes. There are no statistics about firearms being use to prevent crimes. I cannot prove it, but I believe that firearms prevent far more crimes than they are used in crimes. Even antigunners benifit from those who carry guns. A criminal does not know who or who does not have a gun. I wish every antigun person would put up signs indicating their choice not to carry or own firearms. I think they would change their minds rather quickly.

Heh here is another 1 they were talking about due to the rash of school shootings lately allowing teachers to carry firearms in school. Think that is a good idea as well?

I carried a gun for 14 months in iraq and had to use it twice. Whether or not i was accurate never will know. It was company policy that if you were in the firefight you didnt handle cleanup sweeps. But as such i dont feel threatened very much at all this job is relatively calm. I choose not to ven own a gun now.. If company gives me a load to an unsafe area i refuse to transport it until its daylight.At safer times. If is still unsafe i call shipper andpossibly the local police. Most of the time they will dispatch a car or 2 to the general area. If still fell unsafe dont deliver. find another job.

Well some people cant afford to wait till daylight. I have 4 mouths to feed!!! Why go through the trouble of calling the police to send a car (and then wait till they get there) when u can just pack a pistol and be on your way!!! You may NEVER get robbed but theres always a chance, and when your staring down the barrel of a gun getting robbed and all that goes through your head is "will I ever see my family again" YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND!!! Ive had it happen twice!!! Carrying a gun doesnt mean your "scared" its to protect yourself. You dont have auto insurance because your scared to drive do you??? No...its to protect you financialy in case of a wreck. Carrying a gun is like life insurance!!! Like I always say "Better Safe, Than Sorry"...Id rather carry a gun and be safe than be on the wrong end of a gun and be sorry!!!

I've got plenty of Weapons but have Never carried in my Truck. I've been to some of the Nastiest and Dirtiest places in Cities and Since I've driven since '78 I've NEVER had a Problem so the Scare Tactic won't work or Wash.

no trucker except in rare circumstance needs a firearm in their vehicle you already have an 80000 pound bullett. Speaking as someone whos had a gun put to me on several occasions(not trucking) its a horrible experience but i also realize that if i had had my glock with me at the time of one of the occasions it would have been legaly justified and their would be a few 14 year old teenagers lying in a casket. but on the other hand i started carrying a glock displayed and didnt get robbed any more at that place of business.
Im all for other devices for cmv heavy gloves, tasers but no firearms the state of mind most truckdrivers r in aftr being away from home awile, is not one in which a quick lethal decision schould be made. guns r fine for homes personal vehicles by all means shoot a intruder to your house or a car jacker
Cb radios i used to think were a good thing but after ditching mine. my reaction time has improved while driving. this forces one to pay attention.
and clearly cuminicate their intentions. just my 2 cents

My Cousin was an Attorney In Tacoma Wash.
 

Its not really to savvy to carry! my cousin states..
1. You need a Permit For Each State To Carry!
2 Not! all states allow people to carry'
3 If you discharge that firearm and Kill or Hit an Innocent Person.
You are more then likely to be charged and a Law Suit Filed'
Maybe a' Mill In Paying That Person or The Family'
My Cousin was one of Washingtons Top Attorneys'
His Co Counsel a Washington State Rep In Olympia.
From 1988 - 1990.

His Comments On ' Guns On Trucks' Roco

Re: My Cousin was an Attorney In Tacoma Wash.
 

Then he might go back to law school. Not every statement above is the law. You do not need a permit from each state to carry in that state. Your licensing state and the other state may have a recipricol agreement, heck some states have a unilateral agreement. With licenses from just two states you can carry in over half the states, legally. In answer to number three, go get the proper training and use common sense and simply don't shoot the wrong person. If you shoot the wrong person you should be charged. Along with the right to carry comes resposibility. If you can't handle the job, don't carry. For the rest of use can carry responsibly, do so, it is a Constitutional Right. This still is the United States of America, right?

Here we go again-Yes it's a Constitutional right but unless you're a O/O your Rights are what the company you drive for say they are and you're gonna have to search long and hard trying to find many that will allow you to carry.

Whether or not the company you work for will allow you to carry or not is not an issue with me. Either they allow it or they don't. Either you comply with their policies or you don't. You don't have to work for any particular employer, the choice is yours. This is a whole separate issue than the Constitutional Right. Employers are not bound by the Second Admendment. The Government is. This is one reason this thread keeps going on, not every one is informed and missinformation keeps being reported as fact. Obviously, not every one has read the prior post or prior post have been wrong.

Im just going to watch this one tonight 8)

I suppose the guy robbing you has a permit to carry? I say light him up and let the jury decide. BTW...you all assume your gonna get caught...not everyone does.

You know I'm agreeing with you on this whole thing with the exception of carrying in a Truck.
In all my years, I'm repeating myself here, of driving, Since '78, I've delivered and picked up in some of the nastiest gang banger parts of town without carrying and haven't had a problem. I might have wished at the time I did but there wasn't a need.

Yoopr said:
Did you carry anything else? Did you bring Pepper Spray or something similar? The tool kit and tire thumper can be helpful if you can get to it in time.

[quote="yoopr
You know I'm agreeing with you on this whole thing with the exception of carrying in a Truck.
In all my years, I'm repeating myself here, of driving, Since '78, I've delivered and picked up in some of the nastiest gang banger parts of town without carrying and haven't had a problem. I might have wished at the time I did but there wasn't a need.[/quote]

But have you needed your weapon, say, going to the grocery store, the mall, bar-b-quing in the backyard or any other time.? By your logic then, you never need it, so you shouldn't ever carry. That is your decission, I have no problem with it. The one remote time you will need it, you will not be prepared. My biggest complaint is why do you want to prevent me for carrying? I've carried and been around guns all my life, it has been about 40 years and I have never gotten pissed off at anyone and murdered them. I suspect I will never murder anyone. If I feel the need, I can always pick up a rock. It is quiter, no gpr either.

you must have mixed me up with someone else because NOWHERE in all my posts on this Did I say "I'm trying to Prevent you"??
I've been around guns and Weapons since I was a Little kid too and I think it must have been longer cuz I'm guessing I'm older than you.
About "Not being Prepared" I'm ALWAYS prepared. that was part of my military training.

I can find it if you wish, your comment about the two trukers mixing it up on the CB and one shooting another citing this as an example of why it is not a good idea for weapons in trucks. I'm 50, I doubt you are much older than me.

yep I'm older-FInd the comment that I said I'm "Preventing" you from carrying.
Not too much worse than somebody putting words in my mouth.

yoopr wrote "I know of one ocassion when CB RAMBO pulled his truck off behind another truck, and put two pieces of 9MM lead into another driver.

Which proved my point on what I said on this Endless Thread many moons ago"