I respect both Copperhead and gman immensely. Gman knows it.

But you two are political loons and dont know what yorue talkign about politically. Thats the problem you right wingers think with your emotions not your minds (politically). So you lump "all things i dont like" into socialist/commie etc and you change definitions so t hat evil is never right wing.

Communism (the SOVIET form there are other forms) is literally based in the bible. "Acts 2:44-5 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.". That is of course its INTENTION. Like fascism, naziism, and all the rest it can only exist in a system without democracy. Communism in THEORy doesnt require tyranny.. in reality it does because people wont accept a system where joe makes 50k a year doing makework while tom busts his butt and makes 50k.

Socialism: None of you have ever lived outside a blended system. All of you are the recipients of socialism. Social security is openly socialist (but not communist). Workers comp, regulated insurance systems, government bailouts of business, the insurance system of EVERY state are socialist. You have never lived under any system that wasnt. We have tried pure non-socialist systems by forcing them on countries in south america, cuba etc. Their economies all failed catastrophically and the governments were all overthrown. When you hear about Cuba, the Salvadors, even Iran.. thats what happened.

Fascism is the exact opposite of what copperhead thinks though when yoru thinking is that Bizarre it is to be expected. Fascism is the right wing dream. Mussolini himself equated it to the merging of corporate and government. It requires totalitarian control by the wealthy. It failed repeatedly in italy and hitler used a portion of the resources he raped from the countries he invaded to rescue mussolini repeatedly. Hitler and mussolini were both massive failures who only lasted as long as they did by stealing resources at the barrel of a gun. This is the method every major empire has used throughout history and it requires that the subjugated nations people be made defacto slaves for the conquering nation.

Also please note that gun control isnt a left right issue historically it is a class issue. The US had stringent gun control for non white non males. The european aristocracies had it for non-nobles (despite what you see in the movies a peasant or surf - most of humanity - could not own a broadsword). The same was true in china and japan hence "martial arts". One of the first things hitler did was ban gun ownership.. for people he didnt like. He was fine with the browshirt criminals owning them.

If youre going to speak of politics publicly where you can be refuted rather than far right wing blogs where you can spout gibberish to people who will agree with any lie you should make certain you get your facts straight.

BTW last i checked it was the corporations who were destroying this country.. backed by republicans and right wingers.. not "socialists".

I though carrying in a commercial vehicle was illegal By federal law? Plus unless you drive local, most permits are not valid after crossing state lines. So what good s that law to begin with?

Carrying in a commercial vehicle.
 

I would love to be able to carry as a solo driver also. But there are federal law issues, crossing state line issues, and if you cross into Canada or Mexico even more issues. Driving a flatbed, I had a need to carry a knife, not for protection but for purpose of cutting a securement device such as ratchet straps. Had one come loose on me one time and get wrapped up in one of my trailer axles. Needed to cut it out. But ever time I cross into Canada, they ask if I have any, and when you answer yes they want to know why? Now of coarse this doubles as a self defense tool, but I also have two tire beaters that I would not hesitate to hand out some lumps if I needed to! Does anyone know what the actual federal laws of carrying in a commercial motor vehicle are. Everyone has an opinion, but a lot is spoken in ignorance. Facts people, I'm looking for facts!

My local DOT guy said it's not against federal law to carry in a commercial vehicle. Crossing state lines is a problem if you're permit doesn't follow you. Some states like UT and FL cover anywhere from 10-20 states.

On other boards people have said if they are in a state their permit doesn't cover they unload the weapon and put it somewhere out of reach. Kind of like putting it in your trunk. I don't know if anyone has ever had it challenged in court.

There is a Senator that is proposing making CCW's nationwide.

To answer the initial question posed by the OP...I hope it happens, but I doubt it. I noticed most carriers have no-guns allowed signs on their premises. Werner doesn't allow guns on your person or in your truck while on company premises or conducting company-related business (i.e. driving your truck). However, they do allow you to have your firearm stored in your personal vehicle, provided it is secured.

I think it's hogwash personally. you expect me to be out there on the open road, by myself, with no security guard, driving your truck, towing your trailer, and delivering your 'PRECIOUS CARGO', sometimes in the middle of the night, in areas that are high in violent crime...but you don't want to allow me to carry a gun to protect myself with?

You expect me to be able to defend myself with a black mag flashlight, or a flimsy pocket knife, or a tire thumper. All fine and dandy if the perp doesn't have a gun. I "might" have a chance. If he has a gun, none of those objects I have is going to do a damn thing and I'm as good as dead.

I think these companies are looking at it all wrong. If you have a driver who is armed, you're already paying him/her for being out there driving your freight around, but now you're getting FREE SECURITY for the load too! your load now has extra protection! and you dont have to pay him anymore money to do so!

Now, I'm a woman and sometimes I dont even get out of my truck to go to the bathroom because some of these places I just dont feel safe. I'll pee in a bottle and if I gotta do #2...yes guys, we girls do that to..lol, well then I go in plastic wal-mart bag and double bag it, and throw it next to the truck till I leave, then I toss it in a dumpster on my way out. As a woman, I'm more prone to being raped, sexually assaulted, kidnapped and killed than men do. I don't believe any company has the right to tell you that you can or can not protect yourself, and I also don't believe it's fair. One of these days, some driver is going to be in a situation, he/she is going to die, and there's going to be a gung-ho lawyer that will take their company to court and sue them for wrongful death. I hope that attorney wins. I hope the company is found liable for wrongful death for disallowing that driver to carry and protect themselves, and I hope it changes the industry's approach. But I'm not holding my breath for it to happen anytime soon.

But I'm sure these companies want to avoid the legal fallout of a shooting gone wrong, or if two truckers get into a shootout and innocents are wounded or killed, they don't want to be found or held liable for their employees's behavior.

so in the end, you have to make a choice. You can carry and risk getting fired. Or you can not, and risk getting killed, injured or permanently maimed. Better to be in the unemployment line looking for a new job or being judged by 12, rather than being carried by 6.

Or, you can buy your own truck, and be an O/O and make your own rules.


so because one guy cant control himself, that somehow implies everyone else should not carry? I have had my permit and firearm and carried for past few years in my personal car. I get pretty pissed in rush hour traffic and yell and scream and flip the bird when I'm driving in my car, and not once have I ever had the inclination to pull out my firearm and shoot one of them.

I've been in, in your face confrontations, talking a bunch of crap back and forth with people I don't like and I've never once had the inclination to just pull my gun out and shoot someone because I'm mad.

your logic is very flawed and baseless.


you can have a gun in your truck legally in any state. It's all about how you store it. In states with no carry laws in effect and that do not reciprocate, the firearm should be unloaded, and stored in a lock box and the ammo separated and locked up as well. Then all you're doing is transporting a firearm which is completely legal in all 50 states (except for maybe New York, where that commie Bloomberg has eroded every single citizens rights to protect themselves).

Any states that reciprocate your state's carry permit, you can lay it or store it where you want, it can be loaded, just have your permit readily available (know where it is) and inform any officer that pulls you over, you have your firearm, it is loaded and you have your permit.

If you go to New York...keep your head down, dont get pulled over, and keep your mouth shut. lol.


its not a matter of being sooooo afraid. It's having the constitutional right and ability to defend yourself should the need arise. I'm not afraid of anyone, but when I'm out in my car on home time, when I'm hiking or running around the city, I have my firearm with me. People are bat**** crazy out there and things are getting worse, times getting harder, and people getting more and more desperate and caring less and less and becoming more and more violent.


always a good bet to check local laws before traveling and see what states reciprocate and what states don't.
Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry

And for god's sake, dont give anyone a reason to search your cab and sleeper. Be polite, courteous, and respectful, and answer all questions truthfully (if they ask about firearms say no!!! never volunteer any info about firearms or ammo...better to be charged with a lie, than to voluntarily give yourself up). Dont act all nervous and crap, don't avoid eye contact, dont behave strangely or hesitantly. smile, be friendly, act at ease, make good natured conversation, but dont make it obvious you're trying to blow sunshine up his ass, cause then he'll get suspicious.

If he says he wants to search your truck, you politely decline and inform him that he would need a warrant to search the vehicle. Just because they are DOT...does not give them the right to search your truck without probable cause.

Contrary to popular belief, and it's retarded how many truckers think this, but most believe because you have a CDL and drive a CMV, that the government can just do whatever they want and you have no rights and that you gave them up when you got your CDL (the same way service members gave up their rights when they joined the military). THAT IS NOT TRUE! As a CMV driver, you are not a military or government employee, and you have not given up your rights to due process or warrantless searches. You still have the same rights as any other motor vehicle operator out there, CMV or 4Wheeler. CMV operators are just held to a higher standard than 4wheeler drivers, and your vehicle can be "inspected" at any time, for any reason without cause for suspicion. DOT can pull you over and inspect your truck. INSPECT...does not mean "SEARCH". Inspecting the truck means making sure it is in good working order, safe to operate on public roads for profit. That's it.

Probable cause is NOT justified by refusing to allow your truck to be searched. They try to bully and threaten you into thinking that. Do not get into an argument about your constitutional rights...that makes it worse. Just politely refuse the search and ask him to produce a warrant. If he continues, ask for him to call his supervisor out.

At that point, he is going to go back to his car and behave like he's going to get a warrant. At this point, you need to get on the phone with 911, and demand to speak to the Sergeant on Duty or the Lieutenant on duty, and inform them of what is going on, and the you would appreciate their presence, and that you have cooperated fully with the police officer, but you are not submitting to a search without a warrant and you feel there is no basis for a search. If you have an attorney on speed dial, I suggest calling them and letting them listen to the whole ordeal live as it's happening, or somehow recording the audio of what's going on.

her we go again!

I guess there wasn't much room on the front, for this holster.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...0/Charlize.jpg

Let's don't.... and say we did.

Oh yes there was! She just didn't want it to detract from her most appealing feature. I can't wear one of those holsters! I have a problem just washing my back! I need one of them LOUFA thingies!

It may LOOK hot! But... no way she outdraws me if I'm wearing a low slung holstered Colt 45!


I just don't see why a woman that looks like THAT wants to kill me!

Oh, wait... maybe, I do. But... that is NOT the issue here!

Well spoken DriveItUSA's .... it's Good to see another female on the site with a Voice. :)