I guess UPS could try and bust the union, then pay drivers 10,12 ,13 dollars per hour. Pay dock workers less. Then the training costs/lower productivity losses associated with turnover would sky rocket because people would not want to work as hard as UPS drivers and dock people do for that kind of money. Not to mention the lousy benefits package they would supply without the union. Lets face it package delivery at UPS is'nt gravy. As far as the "right to work state" issue, certain people will always take advantage of what others have fought for.

If the union members stick together UPS will settle before the strike, UPS can't afford to watch their customers go to FEDEX like they did in 1997.

FEDEX could not handle the freight back then and closed their small facilities down at 10:00 am because there was no where to put the packages.

With some of the roll over drivers we have here and in this business truck driving is just another job, like working at McDonald's anymore.

I think the trucking companies have many of these newbies brainwashed for sure and the union has a lot of educating to do or you drivers and OO's are DOOMED to drive for peanuts and low rates !!!!

I think it would be in the best interest of OO's to honor a national truckers strike too, but many of them will sell out too !

Well.
I make a great deal more then pulling fuel then I did as a city driver with UPS Freight, and I can safely say that no illegal immigrant will take that job from me or any other fuel driver that carries hazmat and twic. The best part of our company is that we just had a four lay offs due to business levels slowing down, I am the last guy hired on but managed to keep my job as I have good work ethic and a great saftey record the guys that got laid off kept screwing up on the job. with the union it is purely senority which kind of sucks for the hard working bottom guy. Then you get to sit around and listen to the 18 year guy complain and whine and bitch and of course not work as hard because he has paid his dues.... My father taught me to work just as hard on my last day as I would on day one. My benifit package at UPS Freight before the union was just as good as the one the union brought in, in some ways it was better. Ups frieght employees got screwed by both the union and Brown with the contract ratification in 2007. for the record I am on track to make peanuts of $60,000 this year that is with every Sunday & Monday off, home every night, and a pretty decent benifit package that includes comapny match of my 401k, even UPS cut out the comany 401 match..
Times are tough and you can bet Brown has bean counter figuring cost and numbers for an up coming strike in 2013 they may just say enough is enough lets plan for 6 months to one year of minimal revenue, rebuild our employee team with no union and start fresh. So for that 1 year Fed Ex will kick ass and take all they can get UPS will suffer and slowly rebuild the union wont bankrupt them and they will come out on the other side, it is a possibility....

Timberwolf

LOL man, you are a real dreamer, UPS is a public company and is responsible to shareholders and large investors, if you think top management is that stupid to carry out a scenario as you discuss, you need to seek some non-union brain surgeons !!!!

Time will tell...
Never say never..
The times and the way business is conducted will change over the next 10 years people are getting tired of greed.
It may never happen that way you are right but the point is it may and it could...

Timberwolf

UPS should not be the target, FEDEX should be the target of the truckers national union because they are paying a lot less to many sub contractors acquired from their acquisition of RPS Package System.

What can I say? I've never worked for a union company. I can't see why I would want to. I'm about to leave a company that just voted to join the union, and all I can see is a $10/week pay cut for the privilege of belonging to the union. If I had my choice, I'd rather have cable.

Seriously, what purpose does a union serve besides feeding its own existence? Can anyone explain it in logical terms, minus any personal insults or attacks?

How does a union make UPS better than Fed Ex?

How would a union improve Fed Ex?

I have no desire to work for a union because those guys never seem to be happy. They always seem to think they're getting screwed by management or scabs.

I'm like DW, I just wanna race.

Well, this thread was supposed to be about how shady and dishonest Marten Transport has become since randy stepped down from the president's seat and sold off the bulk of his shares. They hired that jerk off from Knight Transportation (Tim Kohl) and everything went to ****. Now there's a knight driver on the forums saying that knight has come around and is a fairly decent place to work. Imagine that.

This entire thread went into a WILD tangent about unions and fuel prices.

Sorry...

When you become a moderator you tell members what to post then, until then......

Unions and fuel prices happen to be hot topics that need to be discussed. :pissedoff: